THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

Joe Paterno is the highest "higher up" there is at Penn State.</p>[/quote]

Doesn't matter whose higher up in Penn state, this is a criminal offense it's not in "Penn States" jurisdiction, the WITNESS had a moral obligation to make sure this ******* got what he deserved....the WITNESS failed to do so, he went to Joe Paterno who may or may not have believed his story...but followed Penn State protocol.

[MattMeyerBud]

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
another guy HEARD it happened.
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dude you STILL have to report it!</p>


not only because it's unethical to not do so, but because it's you no longer have plausible deniability, therefore it's illegal to withhold that information.</p>


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Well thats actually factually not true. If this was done in a business setting and this was an official report at work (which I think it was) then Joe Pa followed protocal at the time. Joe Pa went wrong by letting it slip through the cracks.

But at the time, its not Joe Pa's place to report it to the cops officially. Thats why he will be cleared. He did he what he was suppose to do. But again as a human being, he did wrong

But either way, it goes back to the guy WHO SAW THE RAPE HAPPEN! HE went to his superior? Hes the guy that should of been on his cell calling 911
[/quote]if the wr coach DID go to a superior, he really didnt do anything wrong imo. could he have done more? yea but you cant fault him for it. this isnt a normal situation.
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You can't fault him for not doing more!?!? This is getting unreal you guys. Exacty! It isn't a normal situation, which is exactly why everyone should have gone to the police.
[/quote]listen, its easy to sit here and say what we all would have done but we dont know the individuals. if im a wr coach, i hear/see this atrocious act, what do i do? do i go over my coach and straight to the police which could get me fired? do i go over my coach and go to the dean who may think im nuts with no proof which could also get me fired? or do i go to coach whos been here forever and let him go to the dean.

im sorry but i most likely would have done the same thing.
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no offense, <u>i think if u see that and the first thought in your mind is your job then your a scumbag.</u> Thats the one truth I think I could say 100% definitly. If I saw it with my own two eyes, I would go over there and try to stop it and then report it, zero doubt in my mind
[/quote] its easy to say without a kid and family to support.
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no its easy to say whenever

money isn't everything dezz. We're not talking about stealing a pack of twizzlers from 7-11 we're talking about a 12 year old kid having some 60 year old guy stick a **** in his *** against his will

That will never be a decision in my life on whats more important
[/quote]like i said we dont know any of these individuals. and youre not a scumbag if you dont want to get involved in a certain situation and its not like wr coach kept it to himself. he went and told the head coach, who lets be honest, has more pull in the school. maybe the wr coach felt he could handle it better or know what to do. wr coach is innocent.
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<u>yea i dont want to get involved in a car accident, but if some ****** TBones me at a cross section on my way home from work, i'm involved</u>

Theres nothing this guy could do, hes involved against his will. Sometimes **** drops on your lap. I would judge anybody who didn't feel the need to stop a rape or do something to make sure that the scumbag got his.

On the level of the guy who saw it happen - who the g**** cares if he went to the head coach. Joe Paterno is the god of Penn State, not God. This may of happened AT Penn State with a Penn STate employee, but this isn't a Penn State matter.

IT became one when this guy decided to tell Joe Pa instead of the police, Joe Pa handled accordingly at first. Either way, this guy saw it happen and its incredible to me that you could say that he wa slooking out for his job and that makes it okay
[/quote]totally irrelevant. totally. the wr coach would be a witness on the street. if this is a car accident the kids the one that got tboned.

and how is that joe pa handled this "accordingly at first" but the wr coach didnt? the wr coach did the same thing as joe pa!!! he went to his supervisor!!
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its not irrelevant at all. Once you witness a crime like that, you are involved. Thats the bottom line.


Because who the **** goes to their supervisor aft4er seeing a kid raped? Joe Pa was a middle man who had allegations dropped on his lap.
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The Coach was a wtiness in a crime. </u>
[/quote]being a witness doesnt make you the perp, or just as guilty. at the end of the day we KNOW the wr coach told SOMEONE with enough power to do something about it.
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when u witness a grown *** man raping a child and u do nothing to stop it or to even really report it - it makes u just as guilty. You let it happen.

Its like your living the life of denial for him with these responses. Enough power? I didn't realize you couldn't be a WRs coach, but had to be a head coach of a college football team to report a rape...


good to know
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Did I hear the reports wrong? I heard he reported it to Joe Paterno himself.</p>


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no he did report to Paterno and PAterno reported it to the AD

but who gives a ****. Why would he even go to Paterno?

the real questions u should ask your self is:

1) Why didn't he try to stop it?

2) Why did he report it to Paterno and not the police?

this wasn't some second hand story he heard, he saw this **** happen with his own eyes
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Because Joe Paterno is the most important person at Penn State. Anyone there knows that. If he went straight to Joe Paterno himself, he showed a lot of guts.</p>


And this happened many years ago as I understand. Joe Pa was much younger. I don't think you understand the significance of Joe Paterno at PSU. You make it sound like he's in some kind of middle management. "Reporting to higher ups" THERE IS NO FRIGGIN HIGHER UP THAN JOE PA.</p>


How is it you don't get this.</p>[/quote]

WHO THE **** CARES WHO THE MAN IS AT PEN NSTATE?!

Honestly, what the **** does that have to do with anything

This guy just saw a little kid get raped and your talking to me about the heirarchy and politics of a college, what the **** is wrong with you. What does that have to do with this guy not going to the police or stopping the rape when he saw it?

[MattMeyerBud]

and when it comes to any type of issue like this, from any type of crime big or small Joe P has ZERO say in it I would think. Just because hes the face of the school, you think he makes every decision?

And I also disagree that it was hard. It may be of been very easy for him to go to Joe P.

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="JPizzack"]

Quite honestly....Paterno should have used his name power to do the right thing...

Youre an AD...you gonna fire Joe Paterno? THE HELLYOUARE! lol......
Nobody would fire Paterno for bringing this to light, hence why I feel it WASN'T handled right.</p>
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Exactly Pizz. If people won't listen to him then who will they?

I honestly can't believe you are even taking this stance Matt....don't know why?

It's kind of ridiculous. It's a matter of morals, not of chain of command.

He didn't say anything because it would shatter the football program, scholarships and most importantly money. Everyone involved turned their back to it. Maybe the kid didn't say anything to anyone else but Joe because he knew no one would believe him. They would believe Joe and he didn't do ****. That is why he is more at fault in my eyes. He is the most trusted guy there and did nothing. If he would have walked in the shower and seen it himself he probably would have made the same choice unfortunately because that is basically what he did. Imagine how many other victims he could have saved as well. Lord knows how many more times after this sick **** did things to kids.

I can't even read this **** anymore. I wish I never brought it up. I have lost respect for some people today honestly.

[JPizzack]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
WHO THE **** CARES WHO THE MAN IS AT PEN NSTATE?!

Honestly, what the **** does that have to do with anything

This guy just saw a little kid get raped and your talking to me about the heirarchy and politics of a college, what the **** is wrong with you. What does that have to do with this guy not going to the police or stopping the rape when he saw it?
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yupppp and thats exactly why i said ALL the people were in the wrong here. NOBODY did ANYTHING.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]

Joe Paterno is the highest "higher up" there is at Penn State.</p>[/quote]

Doesn't matter whose higher up in Penn state, this is a criminal offense it's not in "Penn States" jurisdiction, the WITNESS had a moral obligation to make sure this ******* got what he deserved....the WITNESS failed to do so, he went to Joe Paterno who may or may not have believed his story...but followed Penn State protocol.
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lol I really think Moorehead is mistaking the pull of Joe Paterno as soimething hes not. Theres reports he doesn't even recruite or even really coach anymore. Hes on the sidelines without headphones on. Hes basically a glorified cheerleader at this point. He basically has minimal coaching duties and doesn't even know his players by name.

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="Morehead State"]Joe Paterno is the highest "higher up" there is at Penn State.[/quote]
This is what you don't understand Matt.

It's like Coach K at Duke. They run the mother****er. There is no one higher.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
WHO THE **** CARES WHO THE MAN IS AT PEN NSTATE?!

Honestly, what the **** does that have to do with anything

This guy just saw a little kid get raped and your talking to me about the heirarchy and politics of a college, what the **** is wrong with you. What does that have to do with this guy not going to the police or stopping the rape when he saw it?
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yupppp and thats exactly why i said ALL the people were in the wrong here. NOBODY did ANYTHING.</p>[/quote]

i disagree...

JP wasn't a witness. He was approached as an employee by an employee and followed the chain of command. Once nothing was done is where he dropped the ball. It wasn't Paterno;s place to call the police, he didn't witness the crime and has no clue if theres any validity to the charges. NOW we know its true, but at the time he probably didn't

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="JPizzack"]

Quite honestly....Paterno should have used his name power to do the right thing...

Youre an AD...you gonna fire Joe Paterno? THE HELLYOUARE! lol......
Nobody would fire Paterno for bringing this to light, hence why I feel it WASN'T handled right.</p>
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Exactly Pizz. If people won't listen to him then who will they?

I honestly can't believe you are even taking this stance Matt....don't know why?

It's kind of ridiculous. It's a matter of morals, not of chain of command.

He didn't say anything because it would shatter the football program, scholarships and most importantly money. Everyone involved turned their back to it. Maybe the kid didn't say anything to anyone else but Joe because he knew no one would believe him. They would believe Joe and he didn't do ****. That is why he is more at fault in my eyes. He is the most trusted guy there and did nothing. If he would have walked in the shower and seen it himself he probably would have made the same choice unfortunately because that is basically what he did. Imagine how many other victims he could have saved as well. Lord knows how many more times after this sick **** did things to kids.

I can't even read this **** anymore. I wish I never brought it up. I have lost respect for some people today honestly.
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well whatever. Your being emotional with 20/20 hindsight, your not being realistic. First off it should of never been brought to Joe P. Once it was, he brought it to the people he should have. Once they swept it under the run, thats when Joe P should of stepped up and he didnt and thats where he was wrong morally.

Im sorry but u've completely ignored the scenerio we brought up that this guy wasn't telling the truth and none of this really happened. You can' tjust take somebodies word for it and go to the lengths with it. That would of been morally wrong of Paterno. Had it not happened and Paterno did that, he would of ruined SAnduskys life and the kids life, while also destroying a respectable place.

And not for nothing, if this definitly happened who could even fathom going to PAterno about it and not to the police. Completey understand PAternot being hesitant at first

[bigblue4417]

Also,

You, Daven and Dezz make it sound like this happened a year or 2 ago. This happened in the 90's. Before the days of lawsuits and defamation and all that. All he would have had to do is say something and everyone would have been all over him. If the kid says something they might look at him like a moron and nothing happens. He showed alot of guts to go to Joe.

Life now is not like it was when this happened and came to light. The kids are heroes for coming forward. I hope Penn St gets a death sentence for this. It's a ****ing embarrassment to America.

I certainly hope everyone in here would speak up god forbid something happened to someone you know. Whether it was someone you never met in your life or your best friend. It's a sick world...