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    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]The fact that he told someone, anyone makes the person who heard it just as guilty as him for not contacting the cops in my eyes.[/quote]

    Well then you need Glasses, because Legally and Morally you are just wrong in my opinion by saying that.

    Hearing a story about something....versus actually witnessing it are completely and separate things.

    I've heard tons of stories not all of them were true and unless I truly believe them I'm not gonna act upon them....but I act upon **** I SEE go down with my own eyes.

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    Legally yes. Morally no.

    Hearing it and seeing it are 2 different things. But right and wrong isn't.
    [/quote]

    morally just as wrong because you don't know the truth because theres no evidence and its somenbodys word vs somebody elses word

    now that we know its true for the most part you can say that. At the time you couldn't and so thats why your wrong. Your hindsight is perfect
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    [quote user="bigblue4417"]Penn St. head football coach Joe Paterno
    just announced that he will retire at the end of the current football
    season ... calling the child molestation scandal, "one of the great
    sorrows of my life" and saying, "I wish I had done more."

    Paterno
    released a statement saying, "I am absolutely devastated by the
    developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families,
    and I pray for their comfort and relief."

    He added, "I have
    decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season.
    At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute
    discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I
    want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can."

    "This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

    "My
    goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish
    the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the
    rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University."

    Officials say Paterno had knowledge that former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky had allegedly sexually abused a pre-teen boy in the showers in the Penn State locker room back in 2002.



    Paterno reported the incident to the athletic director at Penn State -- but failed to notify the police.

    The
    police commissioner says Paterno has not been accused of legal
    wrongdoing, but claims Paterno did NOT fulfill his "moral
    responsibility."[/quote]

    i know u think this helps ur point and hurts ours, but thats also because like i've said 12 times u haven't grasped what we are saying.


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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]The fact that he told someone, anyone makes the person who heard it just as guilty as him for not contacting the cops in my eyes.[/quote]

    Well then you need Glasses, because Legally and Morally you are just wrong in my opinion by saying that.

    Hearing a story about something....versus actually witnessing it are completely and separate things.

    I've heard tons of stories not all of them were true and unless I truly believe them I'm not gonna act upon them....but I act upon **** I SEE go down with my own eyes.

    [/quote]
    Legally yes. Morally no.

    Hearing it and seeing it are 2 different things. But right and wrong isn't.
    [/quote]

    morally just as wrong because you don't know the truth because theres no evidence and its somenbodys word vs somebody elses word

    now that we know its true for the most part you can say that. At the time you couldn't and so thats why your wrong. Your hindsight is perfect
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    The worst part about what Lando is saying, and what scares me a little....is he's willing to take ANYONE word on anything, and is willing to literally ruin a good friends life...without even talking to him about it first...it's not even like he's taking the word of some random person over his good friends word...which would be bad enough...what Lando seems to be saying is that he won't even listen to his friend in the first place.

    Some random person tells Lando that you did something horrible Matt, he's not even going to ask you if you did, he's just going to go straight to the cops and bang your life is over (even if your proven innocent your life is over)

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    i hate the fact that because JP is the most popular person at Penn State people think he has his hand in legal, financial, and every other aspect of the place. Its actually scary to hear that from you guys
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]The fact that he told someone, anyone makes the person who heard it just as guilty as him for not contacting the cops in my eyes.[/quote]

    Well then you need Glasses, because Legally and Morally you are just wrong in my opinion by saying that.

    Hearing a story about something....versus actually witnessing it are completely and separate things.

    I've heard tons of stories not all of them were true and unless I truly believe them I'm not gonna act upon them....but I act upon **** I SEE go down with my own eyes.

    [/quote]
    Legally yes. Morally no.

    Hearing it and seeing it are 2 different things. But right and wrong isn't.
    [/quote]

    morally just as wrong because you don't know the truth because theres no evidence and its somenbodys word vs somebody elses word

    now that we know its true for the most part you can say that. At the time you couldn't and so thats why your wrong. Your hindsight is perfect
    [/quote]

    The worst part about what Lando is saying, and what scares me a little....is he's willing to take ANYONE word on anything, and is willing to literally ruin a good friends life...without even talking to him about it first...it's not even like he's taking the word of some random person over his good friends word...which would be bad enough...what Lando seems to be saying is that he won't even listen to his friend in the first place.

    Some random person tells Lando that you did something horrible Matt, he's not even going to ask you if you did, he's just going to go straight to the cops and bang your life is over (even if your proven innocent your life is over)
    [/quote]</P>


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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]and lando i thin kur bat **** crazy for not taking issue from the source of all of this (besides sandusky obviously) and thats the WR coach WHO SAW THIS HAPPEN and didn't go to stop it and who thought it would be a better idea to go to somebody that could actually do NOTHING as oppose to going to the police.
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    He probably thought Joe would do something and use his name to back him up. I can't speak for the guy. If he would have not said anything to anyone and kept it to himself that is sick and wrong as well. The fact that he told someone, anyone makes the person who heard it just as guilty as him for not contacting the cops in my eyes. I don't fault that kid for not contacting the police anymore than I do Joe. Whether you saw it or heard about it the cops need to know. I do take issue with the kid for not calling the cops. But he probably thought no one would believe him and it would be a great big coverup. That is why I think he went to Joe and he thought he could be trusted to use his "power" and get the right thing done.
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    okay thats fine - to back his name up...

    doesn't he have to come out and tell somebody besides JP then for that theory to be right?

    Wow you really need to wrap your head around the truths of this. You shouldn't take issue with the victim for not calling the cops because they are too young to really understand and process what happened. MOST rape victims actually don't even notify anybody of their rape, especially children.

    Why do u not take issue with the witness who did nothing to stop it? I've yet to hear u speak on that.

    WHat ****in power do u need to say u saw somebody rape someone? IU mean was Joe Pa going to hav eSandusky beat up? Was he going tpo have him thrown in jail with no judge or jury? I mean whats the POWER of JP that was going to fix this? You hguys are just going for the biggest name in this thing and having generic arguments


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    I do take issue with that Matt. I already said that. Let's say he calls the cops. They come and Sandusky says the kid has mental issues and can't be trusted. Ruins the guys rep and fires him. Then he just keeps on doing what he does and abusing these kids and that guy is gone.

    Then lets say the guy goes to Joe Pa because he could use his name and then back up the person who saw it happen. They go to the cops together or with the AD and press charges on the guy and get an investigation going to stop all the abuse.

    Or everyone could just turn there back and do nothing. I am glad the whole thing is crashing. I don't think Joe Pa should even coach another game. He is a ****ing embarrassment. Everyone should already be fired. It's not like he is innocent until proven guilty. There are 8 kids with more coming forward.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i hate the fact that because JP is the most popular person at Penn State people think he has his hand in legal, financial, and every other aspect of the place. Its actually scary to hear that from you guys
    [/quote]

    I disagree with this, I do believe that is the case, that is (from what I hear) how it works.

    whats scary to hear from these guys is that they don't put any faith in their good friends...that they are willing to believe some crackpot story and just ruin their friends lives on a whim, that they blame someone in a position of power...purely because he's in a position of power and don't look at the circumstance...the fact that the person in power probably hears stories just like the one told to him by this (Janitor/Coach) everyday...and only a small percentage of them end up being true...and yet this person...is at fault more so then the person who was an eye witness to the event and did the bare minimum (less then that in my opinion) to make sure the criminal he SAW commit the heinous crime get what get deserve.

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    [quote user="Morehead State"]I'd believe it in a heartbeat.[/quote]

    Yestarday I would have laughed and thought you were being sarcastic...today...I'm not so sure.

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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]The fact that he told someone, anyone makes the person who heard it just as guilty as him for not contacting the cops in my eyes.[/quote]

    Well then you need Glasses, because Legally and Morally you are just wrong in my opinion by saying that.

    Hearing a story about something....versus actually witnessing it are completely and separate things.

    I've heard tons of stories not all of them were true and unless I truly believe them I'm not gonna act upon them....but I act upon **** I SEE go down with my own eyes.

    [/quote]
    Legally yes. Morally no.

    Hearing it and seeing it are 2 different things. But right and wrong isn't.
    [/quote]

    morally just as wrong because you don't know the truth because theres no evidence and its somenbodys word vs somebody elses word

    now that we know its true for the most part you can say that. At the time you couldn't and so thats why your wrong. Your hindsight is perfect
    [/quote]

    The worst part about what Lando is saying, and what scares me a little....is he's willing to take ANYONE word on anything, and is willing to literally ruin a good friends life...without even talking to him about it first...it's not even like he's taking the word of some random person over his good friends word...which would be bad enough...what Lando seems to be saying is that he won't even listen to his friend in the first place.

    Some random person tells Lando that you did something horrible Matt, he's not even going to ask you if you did, he's just going to go straight to the cops and bang your life is over (even if your proven innocent your life is over)
    [/quote]

    I agree. Lando is being emotional and using his hindsight. I have to be honest if he was Joe Pa, I would HIGHLY doubt he would of called the cops at that moment

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="DavenIII"]TBH honest Lando you are scaring me a little, what if I told you some story in jest one day...one you just go run to the cops with it?

    What if one of my Ex-Gf's had a vendetta against me and told you a completely untrue story about me...would you go running to the cops?

    you seem a little bit insane here....you just believe everything everyone says to you immediately and are willing to ruin lives over it just because "it's the right thing to do" it's not that simple.

    If you believe it...YES do it go to the cops, but remember it's just a story you are hearing.

    if you SEE it...it's TOTALLY different...if you don't then follow through by reporting it then you are just a terrible person.
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    You are going a little overboard here Daven.

    You know I'm a sensible person. Joe Pa took it sincere enough to pass it on to the AD. That tells you everything you need to know. He was concerned enough to pass it on, just not do what needed to be done because he knew it would ruin the program.

    THEN - Still lets the guy have access to everything in the University and not question him or wonder what he is doing when he takes the kids down there. Think to himself that he is doing it again and he is still turning his back to it. Not only did anyone not say anything, they let it continue.

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