THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i hate the fact that because JP is the most popular person at Penn State people think he has his hand in legal, financial, and every other aspect of the place. Its actually scary to hear that from you guys
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He has been the Coach since 1966. He is Penn St. How could you think he didn't?

Your negligence is weird considering how much you really know about football.

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"] I would HIGHLY doubt he would of called the cops at that moment

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That hurts...

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"]TBH honest Lando you are scaring me a little, what if I told you some story in jest one day...one you just go run to the cops with it?

What if one of my Ex-Gf's had a vendetta against me and told you a completely untrue story about me...would you go running to the cops?

you seem a little bit insane here....you just believe everything everyone says to you immediately and are willing to ruin lives over it just because "it's the right thing to do" it's not that simple.

If you believe it...YES do it go to the cops, but remember it's just a story you are hearing.

if you SEE it...it's TOTALLY different...if you don't then follow through by reporting it then you are just a terrible person.
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You are going a little overboard here Daven.

You know I'm a sensible person. Joe Pa took it sincere enough to pass it on to the AD. That tells you everything you need to know. He was concerned enough to pass it on, just not do what needed to be done because he knew it would ruin the program.

THEN - Still lets the guy have access to everything in the University and not question him or wonder what he is doing when he takes the kids down there. Think to himself that he is doing it again and he is still turning his back to it. Not only did anyone not say anything, they let it continue.
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I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.</P>


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nobody had a bigger obligation tha nthe witness who:

A) Could of prevented the rape from continuing

and

B) calling the police to say what he witnessed. JP didn't witness it.
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So what? Call him every name in the book. He's at a hospital with dementia.</P>


Now back to Joe Paterno.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]The fact that he told someone, anyone makes the person who heard it just as guilty as him for not contacting the cops in my eyes.[/quote]

Well then you need Glasses, because Legally and Morally you are just wrong in my opinion by saying that.

Hearing a story about something....versus actually witnessing it are completely and separate things.

I've heard tons of stories not all of them were true and unless I truly believe them I'm not gonna act upon them....but I act upon **** I SEE go down with my own eyes.

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Legally yes. Morally no.

Hearing it and seeing it are 2 different things. But right and wrong isn't.
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morally just as wrong because you don't know the truth because theres no evidence and its somenbodys word vs somebody elses word

now that we know its true for the most part you can say that. At the time you couldn't and so thats why your wrong. Your hindsight is perfect
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The worst part about what Lando is saying, and what scares me a little....is he's willing to take ANYONE word on anything, and is willing to literally ruin a good friends life...without even talking to him about it first...it's not even like he's taking the word of some random person over his good friends word...which would be bad enough...what Lando seems to be saying is that he won't even listen to his friend in the first place.

Some random person tells Lando that you did something horrible Matt, he's not even going to ask you if you did, he's just going to go straight to the cops and bang your life is over (even if your proven innocent your life is over)
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You are only as good as your word. I would talk to someone first before accusing them and ruining there life. I would not just run with a random persons accusations but I would get to the bottom of it. If one of my good friends that I trust told me something that someone was doing to kids or their wife and I could tell with conviction they were in danger you bet your *** I'm going to do something. It's my moral obligation to my friends, family and community.

Similar to domestic violence. If I told you Matt was beating Amanda would you believe me or would you turn your eye to it and figure I didn't know what I was talking about. Would you ask Matt? If you did nothing and saw her with a bruise on her eye would you do something then? Would you feel bad you never said anything or would you think she just fell?

Or if you met someone at a bar that knew Amanda and said they thought Matt was beating her what would you do then? Same thing or different? It depends on how much I trust the source.

It was his WR's coach that saw it. Pretty trustworthy source and he was reportedly distraught when he told Joe.
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so now bring the grand scheme of things. Some guy you work with, is accusing your best friend who you've worked wtih longer. You've never seen anything like that to support your theory.

Your just making the leap to say that the source is pretty trustworthy because it helps your argument but its doubtful that hes more trustworthy then somebody your close to.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Ridiculous.

the person who heard a story from some random janitor has a larger moral obligation to seek justice then the janitor who witnesses the act himself?

you are either Trolling or you've become temporarily insane.
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<font color="#ff0000">only if hes really really famous</font>

[Morehead State]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]I completely agree. Joe Pa had a larger obligation. And I don't care if he's a mascot or not.[/quote]

Ridiculous.

the person who heard a story from some random janitor has a larger moral obligation to seek justice then the janitor who witnesses the act himself?

you are either Trolling or you've become temporarily insane.
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Well two guys got carted off in handcuffes because they didn't do anything about this "story".</P>


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[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"]Penn St. head football coach Joe Paterno
just announced that he will retire at the end of the current football
season ... calling the child molestation scandal, "one of the great
sorrows of my life" and saying, "I wish I had done more."

Paterno
released a statement saying, "I am absolutely devastated by the
developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families,
and I pray for their comfort and relief."

He added, "I have
decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season.
At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute
discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I
want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can."

"This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

"My
goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish
the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the
rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University."

Officials say Paterno had knowledge that former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky had allegedly sexually abused a pre-teen boy in the showers in the Penn State locker room back in 2002.



Paterno reported the incident to the athletic director at Penn State -- but failed to notify the police.

The
police commissioner says Paterno has not been accused of legal
wrongdoing, but claims Paterno did NOT fulfill his "moral
responsibility."[/quote]

i know u think this helps ur point and hurts ours, but thats also because like i've said 12 times u haven't grasped what we are saying.


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You don't grasp what I am saying Matt. I do understand what you are saying and have said that.
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okay but you understand him saying he wish he did more completely plays into the fact that he probably felt like he did he due dilligence by informing the AD. He probably wish he did more once he saw it went no where.

I highly doubt he regrets not calling the police right away
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Then that just makes him an even more sick and disgusting ****ing peace of ****. Clearly he felt that way or he would have done more Matt, hence why he regrets it. lol HENCE, why he is getting the ****storm on him.

[DavenIII]

[quote user="bigblue4417"] If one of my good friends that I trust told me something that someone was doing to kids or their wife and I could tell with conviction they were in danger you bet your *** I'm going to do something. It's my moral obligation to my friends, family and community. [/quote]

OF COURSE ya big dummy, but what if it was some crackhead who told you it? or some random Ex-GF of the person...or some enemy of his...what then?

You say you understand our point but you don't.


[quote user="bigblue4417"]Similar to domestic violence. If I told you Matt was beating Amanda would you believe me or would you turn your eye to it and figure I didn't know what I was talking about. Would you ask Matt? If you did nothing and saw her with a bruise on her eye would you do something then? Would you feel bad you never said anything or would you think she just fell? [/quote]

If YOU told me I would get to the bottom of it...if Jill told me I'd ****ing ignore the ****...because it's most likely she's just trying to get matt's *** beat in revenge...I might bring it up as a joke in passing to see how he reacts to it at worst...

[quote user="bigblue4417"]Or if you met someone at a bar that knew Amanda and said they thought Matt was beating her what would you do then? Same thing or different? It depends on how much I trust the source. [/quote]

THAT's our god damn point Lando...did Joe Pa. trust the source? probably not...it's just some Janitor...and this guy that commited the atrocity was a long time friend and colleague of Joe's.


[quote user="bigblue4417"]It was his WR's coach that saw it. Pretty trustworthy source and he was reportedly distraught when he told Joe. [/quote]

So YOU say...so now you know who Joe Pa. trusts and who he doesn't....stop the bull**** man, the point is you wouldn't always run to the cops from a STORY you heard....but you WOULD if you saw it yourself correct?

well the witness saw it himself and never went to the cops...HE is at fault...more so then Joe Pa...

it's not even debatable if you think otherwise your just wrong.

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="DavenIII"]Joe Pa probably handled hundreds if not thousands of complaints just like this during his tenure.[/quote]
Really? Handled hundreds if not thousands of complaints like the DC raping a young boy in the shower.


LMAO, and I'm not the sensible one.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"] I would HIGHLY doubt he would of called the cops at that moment

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That hurts...
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im sorry but say a good friend works with you and another guy u work with vaguely comes at you with osme crazy thing like he saw ur good friend raping a kid in the bathroom and you have never seen evidence of this guy doing anything like that ever: I highly doubt u would call the cops right then and there.

I just think that u hearing the story of somebody else, knowing what we know now about the situation that you think it would be a no brainer. But in the moment it wouldn't of been