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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="byron"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </FONT>[/quote]</P>


    You can't be serious?</P>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


    [/quote]I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
    [/quote]</P>


    He has no dignity. </P>


    And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </P>


    He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</P>


    </P>[/quote]

    hindsight is awlays 20/20

    what u should be more disgusted with is McQeaury (the guy who made no attempt to stop it after he actually saw the rape take place and never contacted the police) is still working at penn state
    [/quote]...<FONT color=#0000ff>they aIts not about who bearsmore or less responsibility at this point for me Mattll ****ed up and they are all guilty of letting those children down.</FONT>...thing about hindsight is that its based on reality...sad thing isthere could have and should have been a different reality under discussion here......JP's indicressions shall cost him his fame now.. we can debate whether its a fair price or not point is he should have done more and admits it.. "I don't feel at lot of remorse tho" he was rah rahing all way to bed last night....gt to go to work have a good day everyone ![/quote]

    see i disagree... all the outrage on this is just being focused to the biggest name involved which is stupid. You know that got McQueary STILL is a coach at Penn St right?

    HE SAW THE RAPE AND DIDNT TRY AND STOP IT

    **** reporting it, **** everything else - that ALONE should have everybody in arms but its not, people are worried about with Joe Paterno coaching or not
    [/quote]I have said it a couple of times but let me be clear I don't give a rats *** about JP or any of the others for that matter ....they all ****ed up...and I am sure before it over they will pay in some way or another...the sad thing here is the kids payed the price for their stupidity ....

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    [quote user="ny06"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </font>[/quote]</p>


    You can't be serious?</p>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</p>


    And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


    And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


    Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


    edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>


    [/quote]

    who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

    If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

    I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

    Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

    I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

    Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

    There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

    1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

    2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

    Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

    <font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
    [/quote]</p>


    Read the indictment.</p>


    http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


    He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


    He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


    You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


    He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


    If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


    </p>[/quote]

    i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

    And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </FONT>[/quote]</P>


    You can't be serious?</P>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</P>


    No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


    <FONT color=#0000ff>Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</FONT></P>


    Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>


    [/quote]</P>


    Great Point..</P>


    [/quote]I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

    To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


    [/quote]We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it[/quote]

    im sorry but u could of done a different kind of damage and effect alot of peoples lives to wrecklessly just go and bring it to the police off of just one mans word. What if this one man was lying? Couldn't it of been true that this guy had some other agenda to **** over Sandusky and he was trying to **** him over?

    AGain initially Joe Pa played it right, letting it get forgotten is where he scumbagged out in my opinion.
    [/quote]</P>


    At no time did he "play it right". He did the minumum to avoid legal exposure. he knew it was happening (you say one man's word, it was a member of his staff who was an eye witness) and he had already been informed in 200 as well.</P>


    He covered his *** and then went on with the relationship as if nothing had happened.</P>


    Disgusting.</P>
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    [quote user="byron"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="byron"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </font>[/quote]</p>


    You can't be serious?</p>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


    [/quote]I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
    [/quote]</p>


    He has no dignity. </p>


    And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </p>


    He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</p>


    </p>[/quote]

    hindsight is awlays 20/20

    what u should be more disgusted with is McQeaury (the guy who made no attempt to stop it after he actually saw the rape take place and never contacted the police) is still working at penn state
    [/quote]...<font color="#0000ff">they aIts not about who bearsmore or less responsibility at this point for me Mattll ****ed up and they are all guilty of letting those children down.</font>...thing about hindsight is that its based on reality...sad thing isthere could have and should have been a different reality under discussion here......JP's indicressions shall cost him his fame now.. we can debate whether its a fair price or not point is he should have done more and admits it.. "I don't feel at lot of remorse tho" he was rah rahing all way to bed last night....gt to go to work have a good day everyone ![/quote]

    see i disagree... all the outrage on this is just being focused to the biggest name involved which is stupid. You know that got McQueary STILL is a coach at Penn St right?

    HE SAW THE RAPE AND DIDNT TRY AND STOP IT

    **** reporting it, **** everything else - that ALONE should have everybody in arms but its not, people are worried about with Joe Paterno coaching or not
    [/quote]I have said it a couple of times but let me be clear I don't give a rats *** about JP or any of the others for that matter ....they all ****ed up...and I am sure before it over they will pay in some way or another...the sad thing here is the kids payed the price for their stupidity ....[/quote]

    well I guess thats where we are differing. You are seeing me completely and utterly outraged on specific people in the situation that are the real villians in this case while yoiu guys are grouping them together and taking some satisfaction in the firing of Joe Pa.

    And let me rehash this agian about Joe Pa - him coaching DOESNT MATTER. The guy is on the sidelines with no headset on, isn't calling plays, doesn't recruit, and all of that, he was a mascot
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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </FONT>[/quote]</P>


    You can't be serious?</P>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</P>


    And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


    And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


    Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


    edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>


    [/quote]

    who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

    If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

    I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

    Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

    I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

    Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

    There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

    1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

    2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

    Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

    <FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
    [/quote]</P>


    Read the indictment.</P>


    http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


    He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


    He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


    You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


    He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


    If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


    </P>


    [/quote]

    i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

    And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


    [/quote]</P>


    If the police want to pursue others, thats fine. It seems the assistant did exactly what Paterno did...the minimum to protect themselves legally.</P>


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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </FONT>[/quote]</P>


    You can't be serious?</P>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</P>


    And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


    And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


    Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


    edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>


    [/quote]

    who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

    If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

    I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

    Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

    I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

    Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

    There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

    1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

    2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

    Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

    <FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
    [/quote]</P>


    Read the indictment.</P>


    http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


    He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


    He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


    You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


    He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


    If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


    </P>


    [/quote]

    i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

    And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


    [/quote]</P>


    http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx</P>


    Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</P>

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </font>[/quote]</p>


    You can't be serious?</p>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</p>


    No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


    <font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


    Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


    [/quote]</p>


    Great Point..</p>[/quote]I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

    To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


    [/quote]

    your right, technically he followed the chain of command - but morally they got rid of him and I have no issue with that at all
    [/quote]Yes- I was waiting for that. I see two sides for Joe:

    Acting in accordance with the procedures of his job

    and

    Morally--I already stated yesterday how I would not of allowed something like that to occur and continue, but that's me personally. This is the area where Joe failed.....but does that warrant being fired? The emotion and pain that these children suffered has to be removed from the equation in order to answer that objectively.
    [/quote]

    lol me and u are on the same page with this i think...


    i guess ur listed with me and scrappy as the villians of this case
    [/quote]I think we are looking at it from the same window. I am going read the indictment that NY06 just posted now.

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </font>[/quote]</p>


    You can't be serious?</p>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</p>


    And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


    And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


    Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


    edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>


    [/quote]

    who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

    If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

    I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

    Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

    I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

    Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

    There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

    1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

    2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

    Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

    <font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
    [/quote]</p>


    Read the indictment.</p>


    http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


    He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


    He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


    You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


    He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


    If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


    </p>


    [/quote]

    i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

    And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


    [/quote]</p>


    If the police want to pursue others, thats fine. It seems the assistant did exactly what Paterno did...the minimum to protect themselves legally.</p>


    </p>[/quote]
    it boggles me how u could even say that, it REALLY ****ing does

    while i don't condone Joe Pas actions as a whole, all hes getting is words...

    this ****in scumbag SAW A KID GET RAPED, DIDNT STOP IT, AND DIDNT GO TO THE POLICE

    thats ****ing insane to me how you could mention anybody but Sandusky in the same catagory with him. It honestly disturbs me how passive you are with that guy and then get so heated about Joe Pa becuase "HES THE BIG WIG AT PENN ST".
    Fear the name, appreciate the game

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </FONT>[/quote]</P>


    You can't be serious?</P>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


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    No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


    <FONT color=#0000ff>Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</FONT></P>


    Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>


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    Great Point..</P>[/quote]I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

    To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


    [/quote]We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it[/quote]

    im sorry but u could of done a different kind of damage and effect alot of peoples lives to wrecklessly just go and bring it to the police off of just one mans word. What if this one man was lying? Couldn't it of been true that this guy had some other agenda to **** over Sandusky and he was trying to **** him over?

    AGain initially Joe Pa played it right,<FONT color=#0000ff> letting it get forgotten is where he scumbagged out in my opinion.
    </FONT>[/quote]Fine Matt argue semantics bottom line he **** up...now didn't he ....you trying save his rep ..fine ...I could care less about his rep....i'm done with this.... carry on....love ya man

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
    </font>[/quote]</p>


    You can't be serious?</p>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]</p>


    No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


    Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


    Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>[/quote]

    What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

    I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.





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