THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?

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Yes, and Schulz and the Finance Director. They all deserve the same amount of blame. They all swept it under the rug and did nothing about it.

The problem we have is the man Joe Pa. The guy who built the program to what it is. He made his living on helping kids and establishing foundations and charity work with kids and the community. He violated everything he believed in to save his football program. It's an embarassment. Everyone involved is just as bad, he takes more blame because he is Joseph Paterno. He turned his back to kids being molested and raped in his facilities. Everyone did, but everyone is not Paterno.

Technically everyone should be held in the same accountability but that is not how it works in America. A Janitor telling his boss and then doing nothing fails in comparison to the leader of a university doing nothing when he hears multiple complaints and see's the guy with multiple different children.

It would be like continuing to take your kids to a day care that your friend owns when you know a sex offender works and you have heard stories about other kids being molested there but you just turn your back to it because you don't want the day care to crash and burn.
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honestly if u think Paterno is as bad as Sandusky then I think your on crack and u need to pull ur horses of outrage back.

He could of stopped the rape and had Sandusky thrown in jail THAT NIGHT with PLENTY OF EVIDENCE.

The program, the school, all of that has nothing to do wtih it. Your being headline hunters. Your floating away from the real situation here. Your giving me ahistory lesson of PSU - it has nothing to di wth the fact that boy was raped. When Paterno was called in to testify, do u think they called him coach Paterno? No sir.

I think Sandusky and McQueary should be held to the same accountability.

Not for nothing, im not sure how well known Sanduskys past issues were known since he was still able to be a part of his hcarity and Matt Millen , u said urself, was onthe baord and was completely taken back by all of this stories.

[dezzzR]

[quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="dezzzR"]no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
[/quote]</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>[/quote]no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="lttaylor56"]LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.
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Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font>[/quote]</p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


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u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


[/quote]I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>


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This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.
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im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
[/quote]</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>


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your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
[/quote]</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>


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no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
[/quote]just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky
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an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
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As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</p>[/quote]

the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="dezzzR"]no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
[/quote]</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>[/quote]no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.
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your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT>[/quote]</P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


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u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


[/quote]I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
[/quote]</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>


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This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.
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im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
[/quote]</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>


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your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
[/quote]</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>


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no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <U>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</U>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
[/quote]just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky
[/quote]

an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
[/quote]</P>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</P>


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the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
[/quote]</P>


It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</P>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</P>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</P>

[JPizzack]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]


[quote user="dezzzR"]no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
[/quote]</P>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<U>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</U>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</P>


[/quote]no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.
[/quote]

your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo
[/quote]</P>


I'm not a lawyer obviously...and have no education in terms of law. But there will be reprocussions for his inactions. There has to be! Especially in a case of this magnitude with the coverage it's getting.
No judge is going to take this lightly. ESPECIALLY in child molestation.</P>

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font>[/quote]</p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


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u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


[/quote]I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
[/quote]</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>[/quote]
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.
[/quote]

im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
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Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font>[/quote]</p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


[/quote]

u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


[/quote]I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
[/quote]</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>


[/quote]
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.
[/quote]

im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
[/quote]</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>


[/quote]

your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
[/quote]</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>


[/quote]

no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
[/quote]just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky
[/quote]

an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
[/quote]</p>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</p>


[/quote]

the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
[/quote]</p>


It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</p>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</p>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</p>[/quote]

lol okay well if there is a great big grand coverup of people willing to cover the defensive coordinator for raping a kid, then i guess that a risk he would of had to take.

Your being COMPLETELY ridiculous. He could of called the state police. Im pretty sure they aren't claling rent a cops on a rape.

im going to ask u too - give me a summary of what u think me and davens view point on this matter are as well because its just clear that u and lando can't get past ur own emotions to comprehend what we are saying

and if ur trolling, honestly just stop cuz your being an *******

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="lttaylor56"]my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party.
[/quote]
If you saw what he saw at your work you would tell your boss and do nothing else?

You really think that is acting accordingly when you hear something that graphic. Come on LT...

<font color="#0000ff">"It
was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at
no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand
jury report," </font>Paterno said in the statement. "<font color="#0000ff">Regardless, it was clear
that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.</font> As
coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I
referred the matter to university administrators."
[/quote]

JOE PA DIDNT SEE IT!!! Jesus Lando

MCQUEARY SAW IT!!! HE DIDNT STOP IT!!! HE DIDNT REPOT IT TO THE POLICE!!! HE REPOTED IT TO JOE ****ING PATERNO!!!

but ur okay wtih that and take issue with Paterno because hes the bigger name and he didn't go the police, honestly how the **** can these opinions even be coming from ur brain to your fingers to type it.

You have me completely stunned
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I am not ok with that at all. Maybe the kid wanted Joe Pa to help him and he trusted him to do the right thing. Maybe he knew his name would be trashed and it would be covered up if he came out by himself so he needed Joes help. Instead everyone turned their back. I can't speak for this kid but he needs to be fired to. Everyone should have gone to the police Matt. Everyone failed these kids.