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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="MoreheadState"]The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...[/quote]

    I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.


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    WHY?
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    because his job was to report it to the top and then collectively as a school report it. Once that dind't happen and it was swept under the rug is where he went wrong

    He doesn't know if its true or not thats why. Letting is slide between the cracks is what made him a bad guy in this case
    [/quote]In my mind--THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT that needs clarification. Someone said to me that it is Joe's legal responsibility (in addition to notifying his superior)to go directly to the authorities with the information that he was given.

    I do not know this to be true.

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    [quote user="Morehead State"]

    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.[/quote]
    Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.
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    I guess that what we call "playing it right".</p>[/quote]
    Well Matt and Daven do.

    I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook. Forget about following up with it and making sure wrongs are righted. I guess everyone slept just fine because they alerted someone that multiple kids were being molested. Who cares about stopping it, they told someone right? lol

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    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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    You can't be serious?</p>


    They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


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    u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


    [/quote]I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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    And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>[/quote]
    This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.
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    im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

    please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

    All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

    Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

    I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
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    Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

    This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
    [/quote]this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.

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    [quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="lttaylor56"]LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

    I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.
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    Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


    Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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    before i do that i want a response from you:

    what exactly do u think our opinions are?
    [/quote]This is entirely <FONT size=5>suspect and heresay, </FONT>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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    I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
    I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</P>
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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"]Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.[/quote]
    Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.
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    I guess that what we call "playing it right".</P>


    [/quote]
    Well Matt and Daven do.

    I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook. Forget about following up with it and making sure wrongs are righted. I guess everyone slept just fine because they alerted someone that multiple kids were being molested. Who cares about stopping it, they told someone right? lol
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    As usual, you get it Lando.</P>
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    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional
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    OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


    Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

    Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.
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    no... it doesn't

    if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<font color="#0000ff"> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </font>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

    So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

    A) And eye witness

    B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

    this is the court of law, this isn't TV
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    I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

    As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.
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    dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

    how insane is this, the police is not penn state

    your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

    Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="dezzzR"]no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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    McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
    <u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

    Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>[/quote]no he did not!!

    if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.
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    your getting into semantics

    bottom line this guy saw a child get raped <u>and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable</u>

    which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo
    [/quote]thats simply not true though. he told joe, thinking joe could do something about this because of his long standing reputation. mc was so bothered he called his father and asked him what he should do. going to the cops wouldnt of solved anything, theres no evidence. joe pa and the president of the school are the enablers in my eyes. its easy to say ohh i would of done this or that but we dont know the people involved and the relationships between them.
    espn said joe pa will speak on what happen when mc told him later
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    how is that not true? He saw the rape wtih his own eyes - he didn't go break it up. He LITERALLY could of stopped the rape from happening and chose not to. He'd rather go talk to JP about it like its some halftime adjustment

    are u ****in kidding?
    [/quote]now youre making accusations. we dont know if he told him to stop. for all we know he did.

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this
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    And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".

    Which again, there is no procedure for old men raping kids. You go to the ****ing cops! If the WR coach didn't want to do it then I can't be in his head. The AD or the Finance Director, I can't get in their head either except it's clear they knew the program would be ruined. Joe Pa knew the same thing and that is why they all turned their back to it. Not only did they turn their back to it but they let it continue to happen right under their nose.

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    [quote user="dezzzR"]this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.
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    I just find that appauling. Let's say he was very scared, for whatever reason...and he went to Joe Pa for support....
    Obviously he's going to know nothing was done about it after a short while.
    Why THEN did he not do anything further? I mean....HOW MUCH INACTION can this guy possibly take?!! it's ****ing disgusting!</P>
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    [quote user="bigblue4417"]
    Well Matt and Daven do.

    I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook.
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    To me Lando...Morehead...this is what YOU GUYS are saying, and that's why I'm disappointed in you.

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