THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="lttaylor56"]LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.
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Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
[/quote]This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</p>[/quote]

not to rain on LT's theory but im pretty sure Sandusky was retired by the time this all happened

[Morehead State]

[quote user="DavenIII"]This is my outlook on everyones opinions.

Apparently if Lando or Morehead saw a little boy being raped in a bathroom at their place of work...both Lando and Morehead would do nothing in the moment...then Later they would tell their boss about it....then never talk about it follow up or think of it again.

Me and Matt would likely beat the **** out of the guy then in there...or at least keep him confined to the room...but lets say he gets away after that struggle...then me and Matt would tell our Boss about it and go to the Cops immediately afterwards and file a report.

that's what I'm seeing from this conversation and that's why I'm a little disturbed and disappointed in Lando and Morehead.
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Are you drunk? This is personally insulting. I'm sure I speak for Landon on this. </P>


You can crucify the assistant if you want. He also did the wrong thing. We are talking about Joe Pa who let this continue when he had the <U>unique power</U> to stop it.</P>

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


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u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


[/quote]I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>


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This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.
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im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
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Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <U>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </U>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
[/quote]this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.
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LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
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No one is giving him a pass. But for some reason you are giving Joe Paterno a pass.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this
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And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".

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YES - for the 44502045802895th time THATS ALSO WHY JP SHOULD GET WHAT HES GETTING.


DAVEN AND I BOTH LITERALLY HAVE SAID THAT OVER 20 TIMES COMBINED.

its frustrating to have this conversation with u guys when ur not reading what we're saying. So yes, i'm even going to throw you in the trolling catagory because if u have to ask me how i feel about those things after the 100 posts i've had the past two days its clear ur arguing just to argue and are not reading anything thats being said

[lttaylor56]

[quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="lttaylor56"]LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.
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Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
[/quote]This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</p>[/quote]Thanks for considering. I don't think that Daven &amp; Matt and I(originally) are saying that all is ok just because Joe Pa told his superior.

My saying that is strictly from a legal standpoint...I would assume that by just notifying his senior he would be off the hook for any incompetence or insubordination from the University.

From a human standpoint---Joe was wrong and should have pursued the issue.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"]So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


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u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


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No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


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What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.



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You keep calling it "a story". Its not "a story". It was a member of his staff telling him that he saw Sandosky raping a boy. Thats not a story. So what does Joe Pa do? Informs the AD and then continues his relationship and school activities with a man that a member of his staff just told him was a child rapists.</p>


If you view is that the assistant is a scumbag? Thats fine. But you seem to be suggesting that Joe Pa is a scapegoat when he has direct involvement in keeping this guy on campus and giving him a platform to continue to abuse children.</p>


The assistant had far less power to do that. It was Joe Pa and Joe Pa alone who is responsible for that.</p>[/quote]


honestly, the fact that your trolling today on something this heated is kind of annoying

and by your responses, i would have to think your trolling
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What's annoying is your stance on this. MH is just speaking the facts. Trolling, wow!
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You and Mooreheads rants with not reading what we say is trolling.

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="dezzzR"]no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>[/quote]no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.
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You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.

[dezzzR]

[quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="dezzzR"]this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.
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I just find that appauling. Let's say he was very scared, for whatever reason...and he went to Joe Pa for support....
Obviously he's going to know nothing was done about it after a short while.
Why THEN did he not do anything further? I mean....HOW MUCH INACTION can this guy possibly take?!! it's ****ing disgusting!</p>[/quote]if the school wont do anything, whats he going to do? call the cops and nothing would happen. no proof, no evidence, just accusations and hearsay, just like the mother and bring a media circus to the school and get fired. anything this guy does hes ****ed, am i the only one who see this? i said it before and ill say it again the only thing mcquearys guilty of is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. he told his supervisor and saw his supervisor couldnt even do anything.....

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional
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OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.
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no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<font color="#0000ff"> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </font>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV
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I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.
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dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

how insane is this, the police is not penn state

your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA
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It was the Penn State Police. I will tell you, UMass is in Hadley and Amherst,Ma. The Umass police is bigger and much more elite than the police in either town. Penn State is as big or bigger than UMass. This is not speculation. Ny Nephew is a Hadley cop and dated a Umass cop. She was far more experienced and trained.</p>


Everything I said Joe Pa should have done he could have done. If he had, the abuse would have stopped. </p>[/quote]


well whatever you want to believe moorehead. I left my conspiracy pants at home today. I believe had they called the police that not everybody is a football fan that would cover up a child rape just because the defensive coordinator was the raper

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this
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And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".

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YES - for the 44502045802895th time THATS ALSO WHY JP SHOULD GET WHAT HES GETTING.


DAVEN AND I BOTH LITERALLY HAVE SAID THAT OVER 20 TIMES COMBINED.

its frustrating to have this conversation with u guys when ur not reading what we're saying. So yes, i'm even going to throw you in the trolling catagory because if u have to ask me how i feel about those things after the 100 posts i've had the past two days its clear ur arguing just to argue and are not reading anything thats being said


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You said that Joe Pa "played it right". My view is that at no time did he "play it right". He played it wrong from the start. Period.</P>


Thats the difference.</P>