THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[bigblue4417]

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Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) was participating in individual drills at Giants practice Thursday.</p>
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<div class="impact">
As expected. As long as Nicks comes out of these
drills feeling fine, he'll graduate to a real practice Friday. That's
when we'll get a real idea about his status for Sunday's game against
the 49es. For now, owners can cautiously pencil Nicks into lineups.
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[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police. [/quote]
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.
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ur taking one line from probably a 5 paragraph response to something u said

no clue what i was saying or in what context - don't qoute me like that anymore


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The bottom line is that Joe Paterno DID NOT "play it right" at first, which was your argument.</p>


At least not in my view.</p>[/quote]

but its moot.. .we both agree that he deserve what he gets at the end of the day and he didn't do enough at all

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.[/quote]

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.
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They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.

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so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


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An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>


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Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
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OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</p>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</p>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had <font size="5"><u>direct knowledge</u> </font><font color="#0000FF">(BZZZZT FACTUALLY INACCURATE HE HAD SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE A STORY SOMEONE TOLD HIM WHAT DO YOU NOT GET ABOUT THAT)</font> of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</p>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </p>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused.
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<font color="#0000FF">(Both inactions are responsible for the same amount of kids being abused, had either witness actually went to the cops, he would have been in Jail...Paterno's inaction isn't as bad though, since he didn't have first hand knowledge of the crime)</font>[/quote]</p>

[lttaylor56]

[quote user="bigblue4417"]<div class="report">


Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) was participating in individual drills at Giants practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
As expected. As long as Nicks comes out of these
drills feeling fine, he'll graduate to a real practice Friday. That's
when we'll get a real idea about his status for Sunday's game against
the 49es. For now, owners can cautiously pencil Nicks into lineups.
</div>[/quote]For now = only a couple of hours until the Thursday night kickoff, that's tonite right?

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]Are you drunk? This is personally insulting. [/quote]

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.

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Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.

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thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.
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He tried to do what he thought was right by going to the most important person in the school. We can't be in his head and I have no idea why he did what he did. I don't know why his dad didn't tell him to call the cops when he called him from the office. I agree he acted wrong and should have called the cops immediately. We all would have done that. I would have killed the mother ****er. They never would have got his story. The Janitor also reported it and nothing ever happened. Maybe McQueary thought if he contacted police the same thing would have happened again so he went to Joe. More details will come out and your story will continue to get weaker.
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sorry but if u see a rape occur in your apartment building are you going to call the owner of the bulding instead of the police? I think thats complete horse****

How this guy could think it was okay for Sandusky to finish working his nut off and not tellign the police is baffling hence why I think its ridic that you guys are giving him a pass and so fixated on JP

the janitor told his boss who said if he wants to persue it he can. Janitor was just as wrong as well

[lttaylor56]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust</div> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The kick return job now reportedly belongs to DJ Ware and DaRel Scott.</span></h6>


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ewww
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no love for darell ? I likey
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[MattMeyerBud]

and if more facts and details emerge i will factor them into my opinion of the situation

but as of what we know right now, McQueary should be the story

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.[/quote]

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.
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They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.

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so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


[/quote]</P>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</P>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</P>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</P>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</P>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</P>


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Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
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OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</P>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</P>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had direct knowledge of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</P>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </P>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused. </P>


I understand that it seems in your view Paterno couldn't go to the bathroom by himself and therefore isn't responsible. I guess at least. I'm not really sure. You've made so many comments like "he was just a mascot" so I'm really not sure. Your view is that Joe Paterno has no power at all at PSU and therefore has no power with the PSU police.</P>


I think that is completely silly. No one at PSU would ever believe that. No one has ever had any more power at PSU than Paterno.</P>


While no one can know exactly what was in his mind (I guess you think its just moosh) it is reasonable to believe that he knew this guy was doing this (he heard it from more than one source) he did the bare minimum about it to cover his *** and then continued as if nothing had happened. All while more kids were being abused by this monster Sandusky. And did this to protect the program or his own standing. Again no one can know.</P>


At the least Joe Paterno was an enabler. And that falls far short of the expectations anyone ever had of him.</P>


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I think in a WAY hes being a media scape goat becausae I can't fathom how hes the bigger story and McQueary isn't. Thats the only way i consider him a scapegoat. The way we're talking about him being the big story and MCQueary isn't

I DO think he deserves to be fired and get punished in however way he deserves.

I agree Paterno enabled. Like I said initially not calling the cops, i agree with. PErsonally I think the AD should of been called in right away when McQueary came to JP they should of sat down and game planned how they are going to handle things. The fact it took a couple of days for McQueary to go see the AD is unacceptable, their solutions were unacceptable (even more so because they weren't inforced).

But bottom line, it should of NEVER even gone down like that, McQueary should of wrapped Sandusky upside the head and called the cops on teh spot.

No i just think JP's power over Penn State has no barring on the police. I don't think the police would tried to cover up a child rape just becase JP's DC was the raper. I think your opinion of JPs power is overexaggerated. I dont think the school has the power over the police in a rape case. I think for somebody who i've had political debates with about my conspiracies that it stuns me even more that u think he had that kind of pull.
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If Joe Pa showed up at the PSU police and had the assistant in tow. This would have been stopped in 2002. Don't kid yourselves. A parent had already filed a complaint with them about Sandusky.</P>


I'm sorry Matt, he ****ed up right from the start.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="bigblue4417"]
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.[/quote]

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.
[/quote]
They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.

[/quote]

so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


[/quote]</p>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>


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Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
[/quote]</p>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</p>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</p>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had <font size="5"><u>direct knowledge</u> </font><font color="#0000ff">(BZZZZT FACTUALLY INACCURATE HE HAD SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE A STORY SOMEONE TOLD HIM WHAT DO YOU NOT GET ABOUT THAT)</font> of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</p>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </p>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused.
</p>

<font color="#0000ff">(Both inactions are responsible for the same amount of kids being abused, had either witness actually went to the cops, he would have been in Jail...Paterno's inaction isn't as bad though, since he didn't have first hand knowledge of the crime)</font>[/quote]</p>[/quote]

i was actually talking about McQueary, after rereading i could see why u thought I was talking about JP

[bigblue4417]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="dezzzR"]no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>[/quote]no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.
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You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.
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but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law
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It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!
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this ain't the movies...

if somebody reports a rape, somebody reports a rape.

Had mCqueary stopped it and called the cops at the moment, there would of been NO WAY there was any wiggle room. Its like your suggesting that any rape isn't taken serious unless a celebrity calls it in. Your stance on this is literally insane

Are you really comparing jordan teaching me a jumpshot to a football caoch reporting a rape?

That literally makes ZERO sense.


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No, I'm comparing the source. The trust and the standing that comes with a person that high. The belief that other people have in him because of who he is.

I never said a rape isn't taken seriously, what I'm sayin is had Joe Pa gone to the cops with McQueary instead of McQueary by himself they would have taken it more seriously. How can you disagree?