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    [quote user="dezzzR"]i feel like bj hasnt got a 3rd an first for a loooong time.
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    That play had no shot whatsoever. D line was waiting two yards in the offensive backfield. Not on Jacobs at all. It seemed like that handoff took forever. Why would they call a running play that takes that long to execute on 3rd and a foot?</P>
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money[/quote]


    yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

    Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

    That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
    [/quote]OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent. We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game. Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man. We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL) That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.[/quote]

    Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

    but your right about TOP
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    Most picks are balls thrown inperfectly. Its the abilty to capitalize that matters. The word on Prince is that he's a great cover guy with very good ball skills. He showed ball skills on that play. He needs to develop and barring injury, he will. And Ross had good coverage on his pick. he also made a good play to get the deflection on KP's pick.</p>[/quote]

    Okay but the fact we were in this game wasn't because the defense was playing well it was because VY sucks and was making unprovoked mistakes. You yourself have been killing them for not being baout to touch Young all day.
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    [quote user="Morehead State"]

    [quote user="dezzzR"]i feel like bj hasnt got a 3rd an first for a loooong time.
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    That play had no shot whatsoever. D line was waiting two yards in the offensive backfield. Not on Jacobs at all. It seemed like that handoff took forever. Why would they call a running play that takes that long to execute on 3rd and a foot?</p>[/quote]oh yea i know. im just saying it feels like its been a while since weve seen bj convert short yardage. its predictable and our line always seems to get pushed back. why not have eli dive for the first for once?

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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

    And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

    Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

    Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

    Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money[/quote]


    yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

    Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

    That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
    [/quote]OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

    We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

    Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

    We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

    That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.[/quote]

    Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

    but your right about TOP
    [/quote]WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

    Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

    We cant pick off EVERY pass man[/quote]

    I am hating on them and mind u I defended them last week when dezz was trying to kill them.

    Prince didn't jump it, he jumped FOR it. If Young was able to lead instead of under throw it was TD Eagles. He made the play, but again, got lucky that Young couldn't make the throw.

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    i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
    [/quote]BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused[/quote]

    the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

    Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

    im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
    [/quote]So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire[/quote]

    on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

    i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
    [/quote]</p>


    He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</p>


    He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</p>


    So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</p>


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    thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?


    [/quote]</p>


    Not without some clean start...No, you're right. But with some momentum he can plow through defenders like few RB's in the league. Its the trade off with him. He's generally not going to make something from nothing, but he can make something huge out of not very much.</p>


    But anyone who says he doesn't run hard is nuts.</p>[/quote]

    i've seen brandon jacobs run hard, he doesn't do it consistantly. I stand behind my comment that he shows more fire post play than he does with teh rock
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="bigblue4417"]“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

    “They
    had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
    got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
    have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
    Woe is me...

    I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
    </div>[/quote]I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

    WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally. I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears. C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal
    [/quote]
    He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

    I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
    [/quote]When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

    I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team[/quote]

    nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

    but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind. Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high. He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
    [/quote]How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

    Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust[/quote]

    because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

    i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man. It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
    [/quote] U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

    If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

    And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL[/quote]

    i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time
    [/quote]No matter where you are, unless youre in the huddle, in the locker room, on the sidelines, or in their head, theres no way to tell if a player is 'playing hard'[/quote]

    i couldn't disagree more. Infact, I think any player could think that they are running hard and they may not be.
    [/quote]And I couldnt disagree more[/quote]

    I think most of the time performers lie to themselves about laying it all on the field or how well they played.
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    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
    [/quote]BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused[/quote]

    the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

    Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

    im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
    [/quote]So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire[/quote]

    on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

    i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
    [/quote]</p>


    He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</p>


    He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</p>


    So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</p>


    [/quote]

    thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?


    [/quote]</p>


    Not without some clean start...No, you're right. But with some momentum he can plow through defenders like few RB's in the league. Its the trade off with him. He's generally not going to make something from nothing, but he can make something huge out of not very much.</p>


    But anyone who says he doesn't run hard is nuts.</p>[/quote]his frustration tells me hes running his hardest or trying his hardest anyway.
    [/quote]

    na im sorry... you can see the difference on something like that 3rd and 1 and then that third an dlong he almost got where he turned the corner and almost got it.
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

    And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

    Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

    Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

    Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money[/quote]


    yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

    Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

    That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
    [/quote]OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

    We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

    Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

    We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

    That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.[/quote]

    Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

    but your right about TOP
    [/quote]WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

    Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

    We cant pick off EVERY pass man[/quote]
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    I am hating on them and mind u I defended them last week when dezz was trying to kill them. </u>

    Prince didn't jump it, he jumped FOR it. If Young was able to lead instead of under throw it was TD Eagles. He made the play, but again, got lucky that Young couldn't make the throw.

    [/quote]and rightly so, we got alex smithed.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
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    <FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>
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