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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</p>


    <font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


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    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
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    he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
    ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
    I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


    YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>


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    Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

    He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

    I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
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    Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


    Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>[/quote]

    stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

    Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

    BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</p>


    <font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>[/quote]

    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
    [/quote] He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

    Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field[/quote]

    yea but thats my point Kase...

    He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

    i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
    [/quote]He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill[/quote]

    okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

    HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

    I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky
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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</P>


    <FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>


    [/quote]

    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
    [/quote]</P>


    In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air.* It was a good pick.* Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing.* If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</P>


    It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</P>


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    im not killing him or saying luck isn't a good thing

    Im just not going to praise the defense for that as a body of work overall. When the offense makes mistakes due to nothign we did - how can u mark a positive up for our play? I just call that being lucky.

    I dont think our defense played nearly as good as you guys are suggesting. TOP makes a huge idfference though.
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    Luck my ***. the guy made a great play on the ball.* </P>


    And the defense sucked last night.* But not because of the secondary.It was mostly or all on the lack of pass rush.</P>[/quote] I wouldnt say 'sucked' by any means.

    Our DEs were raped, but we had some nice spots like Herzlich, Kiwi, and our 2ndary

    Pass rush was totally non existant
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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</p>


    <font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
    [/quote]</p>


    he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
    ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
    I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondary*has been our weak spot on d. </p>


    YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>


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    Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

    He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed.* He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

    I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
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    Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!!** He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game.** The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


    Cut the kid some slack for God's sake.* It was a good play.</p>[/quote]

    stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

    Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

    BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


    [/quote]
    Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet
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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</p>


    <font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
    [/quote]</p>


    In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air. It was a good pick. Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing. If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</p>


    It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</p>


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    im not killing him or saying luck isn't a good thing

    Im just not going to praise the defense for that as a body of work overall. When the offense makes mistakes due to nothign we did - how can u mark a positive up for our play? I just call that being lucky.

    I dont think our defense played nearly as good as you guys are suggesting. TOP makes a huge idfference though.
    [/quote]</p>


    Luck my ***. the guy made a great play on the ball. </p>


    And the defense sucked last night. But not because of the secondary.It was mostly or all on the lack of pass rush.</p>[/quote]

    you can't say he got beat AND made a great play on the ball.

    He got beat and got lucky th eball was thrown to him instead of 5 yards ahead of him to a wide open desean jackson who was running full speed
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    I have to agree with Matt on this one. Collinsworth said Prince got lucky enough times to start to aggravate me but it's true. ***boy had 4 or 5 steps on Prince because he stumbled. ***boy had to slow down to try and catch the ball thus giving Prince a chance to catch up and make the pick. It was still a great catch by the rookie but to say he made a good play is not correct. He got bailed out by a bad throw. If should have been a TD but VY didn't throw it far enough.

    We had so many chances and so many breaks go our way and still couldn't get it done.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]bottom line im not responding to each of u individually with the same thing...

    If that was a better ball do u not agree that it would of been caught... Djax also had steps on him
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    Djax is a FREAK of a speed demon. I'm ok with it.

    If Prince continuously gets burned....well, then we have issues.
    I sure as **** am not going to burn him at the stake for getting a pick in his first ****ing series on our defense...lol. madness.

    why are you so positive earlier on, but cant say that this all helped keep it close early on?</P>
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    yo pm kasemoney.

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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</p>


    <font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>


    [/quote]

    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
    [/quote]</p>


    he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
    ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
    I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


    YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>


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    Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

    He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

    I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
    [/quote]</p>


    Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


    Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>[/quote]

    stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

    Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

    BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


    [/quote]
    Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet[/quote]

    if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
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    Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
    [/quote]</p>


    <font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>[/quote]

    u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

    he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

    don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
    [/quote] He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

    Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field[/quote]

    yea but thats my point Kase...

    He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

    i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
    [/quote]He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill[/quote]

    okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

    HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

    I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky
    [/quote]

    Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

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