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    =\ what is it??
    Oderint Dum Metuant

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Bill Simmons:

    Fact: Of the three teams involved, New Orleans made out the best.
    Repeat: the best. By my calculations, it landed one of the better
    offensive big men in basketball (Luis Scola), one of the better scoring
    2-guards in basketball (Kevin Martin), a playoff-proven forward who can
    play either spot (Lamar Odom), a scoring point guard with upside (Goran
    Dragic), and a 2012 no. 1 pick (via the New York Knicks). Can you do
    better for someone who was leaving in seven months anyway? I hate
    trading superstars, but if you HAVE to trade a superstar? That's pretty
    good.
    [/quote]
    Wow man!!! It's so pathetic. I want to see Pizz respond to this and even better I would like to see David Sterns response to this. How in Gods name can this be revoked. I really hope it still goes through somehow. CP3 is going to sue the league.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"]<div class="report">


    David Stern released a statement about the
    vetoed Chris Paul trade on Friday, which read in part, "the
    Commissioner’s Office ... decided, free from the influence of other NBA
    owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets
    uniform."</p>
    </div>
    <div class="impact">
    "All decisions are made on the basis of what is
    in the best interests of the Hornets," Stern wrote. There will be no
    petition to overturn the veto because the league office does in fact
    have the authority to make the decision, even if it reeks of the league
    pandering to a certain group of owners. Chris Paul is considering his
    legal options and there is serious concern over how New Orleans can
    trade him after this mess. It's possible that a new owner for the team
    will be announced soon, but right now all bets are off.


    This is suuuuuuuuuuuuuch BULL****. I am still in shock...
    </div>[/quote]

    lawsuit time

    this is going to ge tugly. Go read the Simmons article - ****in GREAT
    [/quote]
    Copy and paste it in here. His URL is blocked at my work. I can't read any of his stuff and I always forget at home. Pisses me off.

    Then again it will just make me more bitter and angry! FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!! We had CP3 man.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]LMFAO - from the same article

    Was it the worst moment of David Stern's entire tenure? I never thought
    anything would top an official fixing games, but man … how can anything
    be worse than this? I<font size="6">magine this happened in your fantasy league</font>.
    Imagine spending weeks shaping a deal, executing it, then having your
    commissioner waltz in and say, "Nah, I'm vetoing that one." Would that
    ever happen? And now this is happening in a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE?


    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-nba-christmas
    [/quote]
    LOL, that is hilarious man. I love Bill Simmons. I really do. So does Pizz. He writes some of the best stuff I have ever read. Especially when he gets bitter about Superbowl 42. I love it.

    It's Grantland. Ever since he got his own **** I can't read it here. ****ers

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    Note: This could end up being one of the craziest months in NBA
    history. To celebrate the signings, trades, rumors, roster shuffling,
    insanity and (almost definitely) ensuing hilarity/incompetence, I have
    unleashed a special series called "The 12 Days of NBA Christmas." Every
    weekday through December 19 (give or take a day), I will be writing
    about this unexpected NBA Christmas.
    </p>


    Day 1: The Road to Groundhog Day (and more dumb contracts than ever)

    Day 2: The Donut Dilemma (the bubble in the center market)

    Day 3: Is Arron Afflalo really worth $50 million?

    Day 4: Where the hell is Chris Paul going?

    Day 5: Inside Grantland Featuring Blake Griffin, Part II

    Day 6: (12/9) The Day the NBA Lost Its Way
    </p>


    Norm MacDonald's Comedy Central show may not have lasted long, but it
    left behind my favorite two-word phrase of 2011: "Wait, what?" The bit
    went like this: Norm would read a completely insane story with a totally
    straight face, milk it for a beat, then do a double-take and scream,
    "Wait, what???" It always slayed me.</p>


    See, life is full of those "Wait, what???" moments … you know, like
    yesterday, right after the Lakers pulled off a three-team trade for
    Chris Paul, when everyone was still digesting that stunning news through
    phone calls, e-mails and tweets. I had just tweeted a joke about coming
    to grips with my favorite point guard — Paul, a true artist, maybe the
    best pure point guard who ever lived — playing across the street from my
    office, for the team I hate the most, ultimately deciding that I just
    needed to get drunk. Not even a minute later, my cell phone rang. A
    friend of mine was on the line. He's never steered me wrong. And now, he
    was about to put me into a freaking stupor.</p>


    "The trade's off! The NBA vetoed the trade!!!"</p>


    Wait, what?</p>


    "The NBA vetoed the trade! They said it wasn't in the best interests of the league."</p>


    WAIT, WHAT?</p>


    "You heard me. They said it wasn't in the best interests in the league. Chris has to play out the year in New Orleans."</p>


    You know the rest. One of the strangest things about loving sports:
    Those random moments when you're sitting in your house, your office,
    your classroom, wherever … and suddenly you get blown away by a
    legitimate bombshell. This was crazy. This was insane. This made no
    sense. By blocking the trade, David Stern was willingly creating his own
    Watergate and validating every critic who ever claimed, "That guy
    stayed too long." Tim Donaghy was just one guy acting alone — we think —
    and tampering with dozens of games before they caught him. Blocking the
    Paul trade? This was different. This was Big Brother stuff. This was
    one of the biggest conflicts of interest in sports history. This was a
    league intentionally jeopardizing its own credibility. This was a
    scandal popping out of thin air, self-created, almost like a man-made
    lake or something.</p>


    These are the facts: Twelve months ago, the NBA bought the New
    Orleans Hornets for a little more than $300 million. Every other owner
    (29 in all) split the price for the franchise, the same way you'd split a
    meal 12 ways for your buddy's birthday or something. Stern and his
    cronies claimed this wouldn't be a problem, that Hornets GM Dell Demps
    would be able to swing moves just like any other general manager. When Mark Cuban flipped out in February
    after a Carl Landry/Marcus Thornton swap caused New Orleans' payroll to
    rise, nobody really cared. When the lockout dragged on for five months
    and nobody ever seriously considered contracting the Hornets — a
    franchise that lost money AND couldn't find an owner — nobody really
    cared. When the Hornets stole the spotlight after the labor agreement by
    immediately being involved in 50,000 different trade rumors, nobody
    really cared. We all assumed things were "on the level."</p>


    And why not? We had no reason to think differently … right? The
    league made a point of saying that Demps had been empowered to make any
    trade (without interference). Every team dealing with New Orleans
    believed that Demps was in charge — without any question — and that they
    weren't wasting their time spending their days batting around ideas
    with him. On Wednesday morning, when I was working on my column about
    Paul trades, I sniffed around on Stern's role in the trade talks and got
    the same answer from different people: It's Dell Demps' call. I
    ended up joking in that column that Stern might block a Clippers/Paul
    trade to avoid having Donald Sterling own one of the league's signature
    franchises. Everyone read that and got the joke.</p>


    I mean, Stern wouldn't actually BLOCK a trade. That's preposterous. Right?</p>


    Fast-forward to Thursday night: Those first few minutes after word
    spread (not only that the trade was canceled, but that Paul would
    probably remain in New Orleans for the entire season), as everyone came
    to the same sobering conclusion. The old man finally lost his mind.
    Sure, he was pushed there by a cluster of bitter owners, but the old
    Stern never would have rolled over like that. Twenty years ago, 10 years
    ago, maybe even five years ago, Stern would have brushed them off in
    his endearingly condescending way, quelled the fire, called in a favor
    or two, acted like the politician he always secretly was. Not this time.
    The old man doesn't have the same sway. We just witnessed it during
    that lockout. Few people understood how much time and effort he spent
    pushing his holdout owners toward that final compromise. He barely got
    there.</p>


    If you want to know the truth, Stern started losing control of the
    league during the middle of last decade, when a new generation of
    wealthy billionaires started paying full boat for franchises. The days
    of Abe Pollin and Bill Davidson were long gone — family guys who bought
    in early, stuck with their investments and watched their league flourish
    into something much bigger than they ever expected. Stern's favorite
    owner was Larry Miller, a dynamic Salt Lake City businessman and
    philanthropist who bought the J*** in 1985, then ran the franchise with
    his family for the next 24 years. A year after diabetes claimed Miller
    in May of 2009, Stern met the press before a playoff game and spoke
    earnestly about his affection for Miller. Someone asked the commissioner
    about Jerry Sloan's longevity. At the time, Sloan was still coaching
    the J*** at 67 years old, six months older than Stern.</p>


    "We're a dying breed," Stern admitted. "It's not happening anymore.
    But it sure is reassuring to look there and expect to see him, and darn,
    he's there. It's kind of neat."</p>


    That's probably how Stern thought people saw him. Or, how he hoped
    people saw him. And in some cases (like with me), it was true. Little
    did he know that Sloan was losing control of his players — in 2011, an
    ongoing clash with star Deron Williams caused Sloan to resign — just
    like Stern was slowly losing control of his owners. The newer generation
    of guys wasn't indebted to him. They found him to be increasingly
    obstinate, stuck in his ways, more of a condescending bully than
    anything. After paying full sticker price for their teams, they weren't
    interested in answering to some aging know-it-all. Stern's control
    slowly started to erode, whether he realized it or not.</p>


    Leaders thrive when they feel creatively empowered, when they trust
    the people around them, when their confidence is swelling. Leaders make
    mistakes when they lose that same confidence, when they're fretting
    about their power base, when they're reacting instead of acting. The
    worst kind of leaders hang on too long, get seduced by their own voice,
    start doing things from memory — because that's the way we've always done it!
    — stop thinking outside the box, start playing checkers instead of
    chess. Stern reached that point last night. I think he caved because of
    the whining owners, but also out of exasperation: because yet another
    superstar was trying to push his way to another big city, because he's
    in charge, because THIS IS DAVID STERN'S LEAGUE. It's like the old Will
    Ferrell/Dodge Stratus SNL sketch:</p>


    You don't talk to me like that! I'm David Stern! I make the rules
    here! You don't get to pick your team, I do! I'm the commissioner of the
    NBA! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!!!!!
    </p>


    Fact: That trade was totally, undeniably, 100 percent defensible.</p>


    Fact: Of the three teams involved, New Orleans made out the best.
    Repeat: the best. By my calculations, it landed one of the better
    offensive big men in basketball (Luis Scola), one of the better scoring
    2-guards in basketball (Kevin Martin), a playoff-proven forward who can
    play either spot (Lamar Odom), a scoring point guard with upside (Goran
    Dragic), and a 2012 no. 1 pick (via the New York Knicks). Can you do
    better for someone who was leaving in seven months anyway? I hate
    trading superstars, but if you HAVE to trade a superstar? That's pretty
    good.</p>


    Meanwhile, the Rockets spent the past three years stashing enough
    pieces to make that trade: Acquiring the second-best center in
    basketball (Gasol) while leaving enough cap room to sign a marquee free
    agent (and yes, they were closing in on Nene). And the Lakers paid the
    steepest price: giving up their best low-post guy and all of their
    frontcourt depth, giving Andrew Bynum an immense amount of
    responsibility (you know, the same guy who stormed off the court
    half-naked during the playoff sweep last spring) and reinventing their
    team around Paul's aching knee and Kobe's aching knees. It would have
    been a brilliant move had it worked and a legendary disaster had it
    failed — especially if Kobe rebelled against sharing the ball with Paul —
    only now we'll never know.</p>


    Once word leaked of the deal, rival owners started rebelling almost
    immediately. What was the point of that lockout, and all the talk of
    competitive balance, if the Lakers were allowed to immediately acquire
    Chris Paul? Dan Gilbert sent a scathing e-mail to a few of the other
    owners that, of course, was leaked on the Internet last night.</p>


    The best part of the letter: "This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets."</p>


    (Translation: "Let's cut Demps' balls off, throw the last few weeks
    of negotiating out the window and go back on our word. Also, I'm
    thinking of starting a support group for small-market owners who
    overpaid for their teams, don't have the balls to sell and would rather
    whine, ***** and bully about their lot in NBA life. I'm going to call it
    O.A.: Overpayers Anonymous.")</p>


    The second-best part of the letter: "I just don't see how we can
    allow this trade to happen. I know the vast majority of owners feel the
    same way that I do. When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30
    teams to the Washington Generals?"</p>


    (Translation: Boooooooo hooooooo.)</p>


    There it was, in all its Comic Sans MS glory, that whopping conflict
    of interest that had been staring at everyone for 12 solid months. How can a league own one of its own franchises? What happens if it has to, you know, make important trades and stuff?
    The league always knew that, at some point, the Hornets might have to
    trade Chris Paul. They claimed they had a plan in place. And they did.
    Until O.A. started *****ing with even more fervor than usual. That's
    when Stern's eroding power finally sank him. Instead of backing a
    decision he had already made, Stern choked like Nick Anderson. The
    unthinkable happened.</p>


    He blocked the trade.</p>


    Wait, what?</p>


    Was it the worst moment of David Stern's entire tenure? I never
    thought anything would top an official fixing games, but man … how can
    anything be worse than this? Imagine this happened in your fantasy
    league. Imagine spending weeks shaping a deal, executing it, then having
    your commissioner waltz in and say, "Nah, I'm vetoing that one." Would
    that ever happen? And now this is happening in a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS
    LEAGUE?</p>


    Just know that I'm a die-hard Celtics fan and die-hard Lakers hater …
    and even I am appalled. I hope Chris Paul sues. I hope the Rockets sue.
    I hope the Lakers sue. I hope Dell Demps resigns and makes a sex tape
    with a stripper wearing a David Stern Halloween mask. Whatever happens,
    the season has been irrevocably tainted — we just watched FIVE teams
    have their seasons screwed up by this debacle. Houston's three-year plan
    just went up in smoke; now the Rockets have to make up with their two
    best players. (Good luck with that.) The Lakers need to determine if
    their relationship with the notoriously sensitive Gasol and the even
    more notoriously sensitive Odom is salvageable; and if it's not, what
    then? The Hornets are just plain screwed. It's a basketball catastrophe
    for them. As for the Celtics, Pinocchio Ainge's ill-fated pursuit of
    Paul ruined the team's relationship with Rajon Rondo, only its best
    young player. Even the Knicks got screwed — supposedly they closed the
    deal with Tyson Chandler yesterday, never expecting Paul to become
    available this summer (and now they can't chase him).</p>


    The total tally: Five teams were screwed by one cowardly decision.</p>


    Here's what saddens me: We should have remembered December 8, 2011,
    as one of the best random basketball days in years. It was like climbing
    on a Twitter/e-mail/phone call/texting roller coaster from the moment I
    woke up. First, Boston was in the lead for Paul as Golden State and the
    Clippers were falling out. Then, Boston fading as the Knicks were
    gaining steam. Around lunchtime, I called a Knicks buddy who was
    gleefully planning a future with Chandler, Carmelo and Paul, with poor
    Amar'e headed to New Orleans, Orlando, Houston … who the hell knew? And
    then, boom! That went up in smoke. The Lakers came roaring back, word of
    a three-teamer spread … and my Knicks buddy went from euphoric to
    despondent in less than three hours. My Laker fan buddies were crowing,
    my Boston peeps were freaking out, my dad was practically having a heart
    attack about the Kobe/Howard/Paul possibilities, Twitter was blowing up
    … I mean, could that have been a more fun day to be a basketball fan?</p>


    The best point guard of his generation was switching teams, in his
    prime, to the Los Angeles Lakers … and only after the Celtics and
    Knicks failed to get him. Read that sentence again. It's what Dan
    Gilbert and the other Overpayers Anonymous owners will never understand.
    In professional basketball, history trumps everything else. It's not
    just about playing in Los Angeles. It's about playing for the ****ing Lakers.
    It's about following the footsteps of Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West, Baylor
    and Shaq. It's about Showtime, Nicholson, the yellow jerseys, the Laker
    Girls, even that awful Randy Newman song. It's about that buzz before a
    big Laker home game, when the place is packed with celebs and eye
    candy, when you're the best guy on the team, when you might as well be
    the king of the world. When these idiots complain about a "big
    market/small market" disparity, it's almost like they never followed the
    league before they bought their teams. Of course there's a disparity!
    What kid doesn't grow up wanting to play for the Celtics, Lakers or
    Knicks?</p>


    Remember what pissed us off most about LeBron picking Miami over New
    York? It wasn't just that he tried to stack the decks with a superteam;
    it's that he walked away from New York, the city with the most
    basketball fans, the city with the biggest spotlight, the city that
    would have either made him immortal or broken him in two. He didn't want
    it. He copped out. He could have picked loyalty (Cleveland) or
    immortality (New York); instead, he chose help (Miami). That killed us.
    We hated him for it. What was telling about Chris Paul's choice was that
    he eschewed the Clippers (a safer basketball situation for him; he
    would have been able to grow with Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan and Blake
    Griffin) for the Lakers (a much more volatile basketball situation with
    Kobe's miles and Bynum's knees) for the simple reason that he wanted to be a Laker.</p>


    For the right players, it's not about cities as much as teams,
    uniforms, histories, owners, fans, titles … and Chris Paul cares about
    the right things. He's the best teammate in the league. As much as it
    killed me that my least favorite team landed him, the "basketball fan"
    side of me loved it. Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant … together? Playing
    across the street from my office? How cool was that? I remember when KG
    landed on the Celtics, one of my Lakers-fan buddies told me, "I hate KG
    and I hate the Celtics, but this is going to be cool."</p>


    That's how I felt about Chris Paul and the Lakers. If you love
    basketball — if you truly love it — you appreciated what was happening.
    And it had nothing to do with the Washington Generals. Believe me.</p>


    Of course, that's not how December 8, 2011 will be remembered. Years
    from now, I won't remember anything about that day except for David
    Stern losing control of his own league. Once upon a time, it was
    reassuring to look there and expect to see him, and darn, he was there.
    It was kind of neat. Those days are long gone. The National Basketball
    Association has lost its way. I feel like crying.</p>
    Fear the name, appreciate the game

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    <div class="report">


    Lamar Odom did not show up for the first day
    of training camp with the Lakers, in the wake of his nearly being traded
    to the Hornets.</p>
    </div>
    <div class="impact">
    Odom sounded despondent when interviewed last
    night, saying among other things, "You don’t want to go to no place
    you’re not wanted. I’ll try to give them what they want as much as
    possible." Pau Gasol showed up, to his credit.


    Oh wow, it gets even better. I feel for Lamar, I love Lamar, he wanted to retire a Laker. This is another aspect of this "rejected" trade that no one is talking about. All players involved are going to be bitter. Rumors are Rumors but when it goes through it's personal and then it gets canceled. **** that! lol
    </div>

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="bigblue4417"]
    <div class="report">


    The Nets are "closing in" on a contract with Nene.</p></div>
    <div class="impact">The team reportedly increased the offer to Nene last night, and it sounds like it's possible a deal may get done soon. Considering how fast and furious rumors are flying, there's also a chance a deal doesn't get done at all. Clearly, New Jersey is clearly being aggressive in its approach to improve. </div>


    [/quote]

    just went home for lunch and watched sportscenter. They seem pretty hell bent that a deal may get done today for Howard.

    Nene at PF?
    [/quote]</p>


    I like Nene....but, that may be because I think it's awesome when Brazilians go by only 1 name. lol</p>


    Nene HILARIO! that name is funny....arguably HILARIOus.
    -___-</p>[/quote]Speaking of Brazillians....I think this kid knows Pizz :P

    Justin-I know you can't see this @ work, gotta check it out when you get home.

    [/quote]lol 50 for pizzle.
    [/quote]

    this is a picutre of a young pre-corrupted dezzz..

    Some would say it was the start of the obsession with women - which lead to the hookers - then one fatal slip of the scissors #1 happened for the long island killer. He then got a taste for it
    [/quote]LOL-" A murder contest you know dezz'll win it, cauz in every mailbox there'd be a hoe's head with a knife in it!

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]lawsuit time
    [/quote]
    I doubt it goes anywhere. Chris Paul should not show up to any games until the let it go through. lol

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    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]lawsuit time
    [/quote]
    I doubt it goes anywhere. Chris Paul should not show up to any games until the let it go through. lol
    [/quote]

    I can still see this happening. This is going to be a nightmare, your going to have alot of pissed off teams and players

    That Cavs guy seems to be the only one speaking up. I'd love to know what othe rowners and GMs hate this move. I mean Hornets and Rockets are two smaller market teams and they love the trade.
    Fear the name, appreciate the game

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    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]lawsuit time
    [/quote]
    I doubt it goes anywhere. Chris Paul should not show up to any games until the let it go through. lol
    [/quote]

    I see an Osi type season for paul...

    he'll play, get injured and milk the **** out of it
    Fear the name, appreciate the game

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