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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</p>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </p>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>


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    If you want to play 3-4 thats fine.* But we need to get a bunch of new players.* Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>[/quote]

    hes playing a 4-3 OLB,* def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
    [/quote]Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.[/quote]

    i don't really consider tuck breaking down

    hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

    Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum.* He played ALOT of DT that year too.

    If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT.* Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think.* Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
    [/quote]Going back to what mh said earlier...it's hard to fathom with the personnel that we have our lack of success and execution on defense. <u>There is talent on this team.</u>[/quote]mhs 1000000000000% correct. there loads of talent on the defense. thats why its so damn frustrating!
    [/quote]It's frustrating and no one has any explanation for it. So I don't feel so bad, when I scratch my head and cannot figure it out either.

    Well at least all we have to do is beat the jets and Dallas. How hard could that be? lol

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</p>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </p>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>[/quote]

    i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

    How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

    Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

    Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
    [/quote]1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

    3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

    2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

    So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

    Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths
    [/quote]

    lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

    I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

    I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

    I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
    [/quote]You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

    Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

    We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

    JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</P>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </P>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>


    [/quote]</P>


    If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</P>


    [/quote]

    hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
    [/quote]Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.[/quote]

    i don't really consider tuck breaking down

    hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

    Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

    If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
    [/quote]</P>


    Tuck is injury prone every year. He was injury prone at ND. That's why he went in the third round. That was the draft that EA went after some high ceiling but risky players because we didn't have a first round pick. he picked Webby in the second who also had injury problems in school. He obviously was a great pick there.</P>


    But we knew what we were getting with Tuck.</P>


    [/quote]

    we aren't talking about him being injury prone - if hes injury prone hes injury prone. Your really acting like playing defensive line in a 4-3 is patty cake, but for the 3-4 its a huge difference.

    Since tuck has arrived as a player for us, hes been dominant. To suggest he is breaking down is a bit much.

    And I remember that year we got Webby, he had a bad ankle sprain the year before that just took him out and dropped him out of first round status. It was him and Pacman for the best CBs in the draft that year
    [/quote]</P>


    Matt...it was you who was making the argument last year that DE's in a 3-4 had to be a lot bigger than Tuck. You said they had to go over 300 these days. I can't imagine having JPP as a linebacker, it would be a waste of talent. I have no problem with a hybrid kind of D where we mix up 3-4 or 4-3. But Tuck and JPP would be wasting their talents in a pure 3-4.</P>


    Our problems aren't about 3-4 vs. 4-3. They are about bad coaching and unmotivated players.</P>
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]wasn't greg jones an ILB?
    [/quote]Im pretty sure he was a starting ILB in a 3-4 scheme, but big whoop, Goff was a starting MLB in a NFL 4-3 scheme and Herz was an all around 4-3 LB at BC
    [/quote]

    Goff is a FA
    [/quote]Yeaaaa, I just saw that.

    I can see us offering 1 or 2 year deals to T2 and Goff to prove their health. But I havent seen anything from Jones that suggests he could be a starting LB
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    Our problems aren't about 3-4 vs. 4-3. They are about bad coaching and unmotivated players.</p>[/quote]Agreed Senor Morehead
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</P>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </P>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>


    [/quote]

    i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

    How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

    Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

    Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
    [/quote]1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

    3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

    2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

    So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

    Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths
    [/quote]

    lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

    I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

    I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

    I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
    [/quote]You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

    Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

    We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

    JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
    [/quote]</P>


    Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</P>


    You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</P>


    Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</P>
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</p>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </p>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>[/quote]

    i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

    How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

    Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

    Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
    [/quote]1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

    3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

    2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

    So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

    Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths
    [/quote]

    lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

    I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

    I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

    I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
    [/quote]You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

    Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

    We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

    JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
    [/quote]

    i can't believe you actually believe OSI would be our demarcus ware. He may be the softest guy on the team - i'd take Tynes toughness over him

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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</p>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </p>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>


    [/quote]

    i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

    How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

    Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

    Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
    [/quote]1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

    3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

    2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

    So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

    Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths
    [/quote]

    lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

    I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

    I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

    I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
    [/quote]You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

    Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

    We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

    JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
    [/quote]</p>


    Osi is a speed rushing DE...thats it.</p>


    You guys are killing me here. If you want to go 3-4, we need to get a crapload of new players. Our players were drafted and/or signed to play a 4-3. Our corners were for the most part drafted to play a press defense. And we see what happens when you draft players for one purpose and then ask them to do something completely different.</p>


    Don't worry, our new HC (Mike Zimmer) will figure it all out.</p>[/quote]Im AGAINST the 3-4 idea, I think Matt is the only one in here thats for the idea

    I was saying we're 2 players away from a dominant 4-3 defense, and dont get me started on press coverage, Ive been preaching that forever!!!!
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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</p>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</p>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </p>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </p>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </p>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </p>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</p>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </p>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </p>


    [/quote]</p>


    If you want to play 3-4 thats fine. But we need to get a bunch of new players. Kiwi is a DE and doesn't have the hips to plat LB in a 3-4.</p>


    [/quote]

    hes playing a 4-3 OLB, def need more hips for that and hes doing a pretty decent job. I think he'd excel in the 3-4
    [/quote]Kiwi was especially amazing in Dallas last week. Not sure if he could fit the 3-4, but he's probably the best equipped to make the transition. Tuck is breaking down already and we're going to ask him to take more abuse? I don't know.[/quote]

    i don't really consider tuck breaking down

    hes coming off of his best year as a Giant, hes just injured this year.

    Only other time he had a subpar year is when he tore his labrum. He played ALOT of DT that year too.

    If Osi was here, bet your *** he'd still be seeing alot of DT. Theres not as much "abuse" with a DE between the 3-4 and 4-3 as u guys think. Especially if that DE in the 4-3 slides to tackle alot
    [/quote]</p>


    Tuck is injury prone every year. He was injury prone at ND. That's why he went in the third round. That was the draft that EA went after some high ceiling but risky players because we didn't have a first round pick. he picked Webby in the second who also had injury problems in school. He obviously was a great pick there.</p>


    But we knew what we were getting with Tuck.</p>


    [/quote]

    we aren't talking about him being injury prone - if hes injury prone hes injury prone. Your really acting like playing defensive line in a 4-3 is patty cake, but for the 3-4 its a huge difference.

    Since tuck has arrived as a player for us, hes been dominant. To suggest he is breaking down is a bit much.

    And I remember that year we got Webby, he had a bad ankle sprain the year before that just took him out and dropped him out of first round status. It was him and Pacman for the best CBs in the draft that year
    [/quote]</p>


    Matt...it was you who was making the argument last year that DE's in a 3-4 had to be a lot bigger than Tuck. You said they had to go over 300 these days. I can't imagine having JPP as a linebacker, it would be a waste of talent. I have no problem with a hybrid kind of D where we mix up 3-4 or 4-3. But Tuck and JPP would be wasting their talents in a pure 3-4.</p>


    Our problems aren't about 3-4 vs. 4-3. They are about bad coaching and unmotivated players.</p>[/quote]

    i think ur nuts to suggest JPP would be a waste in a 3-4... Tuck i can understand the argument but I was kind of proven wrong about the size of alot of DEs. That 300-pound monster at DE isn't really the truth. There are ALOT of 280 point 3-4 DEs in the league.

    I think JPP in the 3-4 would be insane, especially if you could plant tuck in front of him

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="ny06"]


    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]so i may be changing my stance on switching to the 3-4 and I think I am

    I think JPP and Kiwi are perfect OLBs...

    I think Joseph would be a better NT than DT.

    I think Canty is more of a natural DE and Tuck can play DE in the 3-4 too. A lil underszied but when Tuck is healthy he is a beast.\

    Then we can move Boley to ILB and then sign like a London Fletcher until we can bring someone else in

    Not saying I want to - but I mean it could work
    [/quote]</P>


    You wan't Joseph to play nose tackle?</P>


    That may be asking too much from him, I don't think he has ever played that position. College or pro's. </P>


    It's not that easy changing positions. </P>


    I don't see 3-4 defense with the personal we have. </P>


    Our best player on D, (JPP) should stay where he is at. As a 3-4 outside linebacker he will be asked to react to the offense instead of attacking. </P>


    I can't see Boley playing the middle of a 3-4 either.</P>


    This team needs linebackers in the worst way, not late round draft picks that may be great a few years down the road. We need guys who can step in and contribute. </P>


    You want to put Tuck at defensive end at the 3-4? I don't think his body can take that much abuse. There sole job is to eat up blockers. Canty can do it for he did it in Dallas. </P>


    [/quote]

    i dont think he has either but his strength, size, and mobility would be perfect for it. I remember I didn't know who he was when we drafted him and almost every scouting report was how well of a NT he could be.

    How much does Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams really REACT though. I mean if anything under Fewell we've seen JPPs range in dropping back and moving around... i think it would be a natural transition. I think he'd flourish.

    Boley would be the stretch - ILB could be an issue, but **** it, trade Osi for someone. Thats our chip.

    Tuck slides to tackle alot anyway... Tuck has to be able to take that abuse, i mean lets be honest its not THAT much different than the role hes playing now. If thats the deciding factor in whether tuck lasts or not then we might as well start looking to replace him now.
    [/quote]1st off Osi would probably be our best 3-4 OLB, if we switched to 3-4 we should probably trade Tuck and maybe even Kiwi.

    3-4 DE's are glorified space eaters, its possibly the least important position in the 3-4 D.

    2nd we dont have anyone that would be a good 3-4 ILB other than maybe Greg Jones, but I dont think he would be a good starter. Boley isn't a good enough run stopper to be a starting ILB

    So that means we'd have to trade Tuck for a NT or OLB, Switch Canty back to DE and I guess Linval as well. Trade Boley for a draft pick or a 3-4 ILB, and Trade Kiwi for an OLB or ILB

    Too many moves for my liking, and the guys we keep arent playing their strengths
    [/quote]

    lol whaaaat! come on mang! First off, Osi is gone after thisyear. I can't see the Giants putting up with his ****. he would be HORRID as a 3-4. The guy can only pass rush and isn't physical at all. He doesn't play the run, no way Osi would be a good 3-4 guy.

    I agree, but i'm just saying that Tuck could definitly transition there. Would be big to have him there for passing downs as well. He has played enough 4-3 DT to where he'll be alrite.

    I agree ILB would be an issue, but wouldn't that basically put us exactly in the same position we are now? I mean our LBers are all questionable. Boley is having a good year, Kiwi is having decent but we have NOBODY at MLB. Only difference is that finding ILBs are easier than MLBs and we are getting better use out of Kiwi and JPP...

    I disagree, i think that in the 3 spots that are probably most important in the 3-4 both OLBs and NT, we'd be moving 3 players who will perform even better than where they are. JPP is a beast... let him roam like we started to do yesterday. Fewell has this tampa 2 where he likes dropping lineman, more than he should. JPP drops, he can cover - i'd love it
    [/quote]You're nuts, Osi would be the DeMarcus Ware of our team if we went 3-4

    Tuck would last a game of getting totally abused then get injured, he cant take the abuse for a whole 60mins, maybe a few years ago, not any more

    We have nobody at MLB cause our #1 and #2 guys are out for the season (have you already forgotten about Goff??)

    JPP is a beast but I dont want him covering any more than he already has to in a 4-3 lineup. He's a force at the line but dont forget he's only been playing football for 5 years so he may not have the 'football IQ' needed for a LB
    [/quote]

    i can't believe you actually believe OSI would be our demarcus ware. He may be the softest guy on the team - i'd take Tynes toughness over him
    [/quote]</P>


    If we went to a 3-4, Osi would not be a Giant. JPP might possibly have a shot because he is a freak of am athlete. He might be able to cover some downfield. Would Marvin Austin be a suitable none tackle? Don't know.</P>


    Againe, generally, we'd have to get some new players.</P>
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