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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    But Joseph is a prototypical NT
    [/quote]What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

    Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set
    [/quote]

    his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

    I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

    I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
    [/quote]Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

    He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

    I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory
    [/quote]

    well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

    Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"]from NFLdraftscout.com




    Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </P>


    Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    But Joseph is a prototypical NT
    [/quote]What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

    Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set
    [/quote]

    his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

    I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

    I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
    [/quote]Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

    He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

    I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory
    [/quote]

    well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

    Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
    [/quote]</P>


    What about Marvin Austin? I think 4-3 is still the best way to go for our personell.</P>
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    Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
    his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
    some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
    warrants because of a pressing need at the position.
    </p>
    Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
    penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
    speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
    due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
    carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
    snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
    in his path. Gives effort to chase

    [/quote]Alot of people compared him to Fred Robbins when he came out of ECU. Good size, good quickness, not the best in the strength dept
    [/quote]



    Strengths: Joseph is an incredibly strong tackle who can hold
    the nose and take on double teams. Had an incredible junior year with 60
    tackles with 13 for a loss and three sacks. Gets better penetration
    than you’d expect from such a big player. Joseph is a massive, engulfing
    tackler. Shows a good motor – while it lasts.</p>


    Weaknesses: Doesn’t always seem to play up to his size. Lets
    guards overpower him and move him off the line. Tends to play too high
    which lets blockers under his pads. Stamina may be a serious issue.
    Played in a rotation for ECU and often seemed winded. Had major weight
    fluctuations during his career.</p>


    Final word: With the number of teams needing 3-4 defensive
    lineman, Joseph made a smart move entering the draft a year early. He
    was part of an impressive defensive line rotation.</p>


    There is plenty to like about Joseph, namely his size and intriguing
    athleticism. He really helped himself with an excellent combine
    performance. But there are some work ethic issues that will need to be
    addressed.</p>


    </p>

    http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/3/30/1396415/linval-joseph-nfl-draft-scouting</p>

    -------------------</p>


    </p><div id="apDiv12">
    <ul>[*]Very strong, 39 reps of 225, and lower body is very strong as well[*]Good size, 6-4 330, makes him the ideal size to play Nose Tackle in a 3-4[*]Very athletic, quick feet and hands, carries his weight very well[*]Can bully his way inside with pure strength[*]Very good tackler, has great closing speed on the QB or ball carrier[*]Very productive in college, proved the ability to penetrate[*]Very high upside, if he develops could be a dominant nose tackle[/list]</div>
    http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/linval.html


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    <ul>[*]Combination of size (including height and weight) and athleticism for a big DT[*]Can play nose tackle in a 3-4 or 4-3[/list]
    http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/pro...val_Joseph.jsp
    </p>

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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"]from NFLdraftscout.com




    Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability warrants because of a pressing need at the position. </p>


    Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique, penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players in his path. Gives effort to chase
    [/quote]</p>


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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Morehead State"]

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    But Joseph is a prototypical NT
    [/quote]What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

    Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set
    [/quote]

    his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

    I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

    I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
    [/quote]Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

    He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

    I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory
    [/quote]

    well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

    Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
    [/quote]</p>


    What about Marvin Austin? I think 4-3 is still the best way to go for our personell.</p>[/quote]

    Im not holding out hope for Austin...

    i gotta be honest, I think being out 2 years like this is alot to come back from when u make the jump from weak 1A to pros...

    Like if it comes down to us switching schemes im not going to wonder: "well what baout Austin?"
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    But Joseph is a prototypical NT
    [/quote]What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

    Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set
    [/quote]

    his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

    I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

    I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
    [/quote]Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

    He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

    I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory
    [/quote]

    well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

    Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
    [/quote]The difference is the game they play on the field. 3-4 uses DT as NT's which are the centerpieces of the scheme, they control the LOS, are the main run stuffers, usually arent very fast, but they are disgustingly strong

    He's not a straight 3-tech, Ive been saying that all day. They've been using him and Canty as hybrids, if anything Marvin Austin was more of a prototype 3-tech pass rushing DT while Linval was a somewhat hybrid his whole career.

    Yes blockers come from every direction but its much more complex than that man
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    and another thing baout Joseph - hes shown this year he can stand his ground with double teams. Hes having a fantastic year
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    But Joseph is a prototypical NT
    [/quote]What tells you that, his zero combined years playing in a 3-4 defense???

    Other than his size, nothing says 3-4 about the guy. He's been playing great as a 4-3 1/2 gap hybrid with Canty so far. Personally Id RATHER have a 1 gap and a 2 gap DT, but Canty and LJ are playing fine in the hybrid set
    [/quote]

    his size, stength, and what he does best is take on mutliple blockers. Hes perfect

    I mean theres no real difference between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 NT, besides size and strength. He has it. Hes one of the strongest guys in the NFL - thats what he was scouted as. Most places had him listed as a NT coming out

    I mean Skins gave Cofield a huge contract to go play there and he never did before
    [/quote]Thats like saying 4-3 and 3-4 LBs are the same

    He has the size to be a 3-4 NT at 6'4 330+ but he was a 2 gap/3 tech (mostly pass rushing) DT in college and now he's being used as a 1/3 tech hybrid, just like Canty. Coefield was our 1 tech DT whose role is 'similar' to a 3-4 DT in the same way a 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE have 'similar' roles

    I like keeping 3-4 guys as 3-4 guys, and 4-3 guys as 4-3 guys.... Clint Sintim is still too fresh in my memory
    [/quote]

    well besides size and strength what do u think the difference is between 3-4 NT and 4-3 DT?

    Its not much of a difference. Hes not a solid 3 tech every snap... they move, blockers come from all directions
    [/quote]The difference is the game they play on the field. 3-4 uses DT as NT's which are the centerpieces of the scheme, they control the LOS, are the main run stuffers, usually arent very fast, but they are disgustingly strong

    He's not a straight 3-tech, Ive been saying that all day. They've been using him and Canty as hybrids, if anything Marvin Austin was more of a prototype 3-tech pass rushing DT while Linval was a somewhat hybrid his whole career.

    Yes blockers come from every direction but its much more complex than that man
    [/quote]

    by your theory Redskins should of never signed Cofield - they are fine with him and hes doing great over there
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Kase-1"]from NFLdraftscout.com



    Joseph's potential is intriguing, but there are questions about
    his functional strength and stamina, which could limit his value to
    some teams. Others might end up drafting him higher than his ability
    warrants because of a pressing need at the position.
    </p>
    Looks like a nose tackle but plays like a three-technique,
    penetrating and getting consistent pressure when fresh. Good closing
    speed for his size ... Adequate anchoring against double-team blocking
    due to thick legs and a wide upper body and will move to the ball
    carrier after he's through the line ... Surprising quickness off of the
    snap for his size ... Length and wide body allows him to engulf players
    in his path. Gives effort to chase

    [/quote]Alot of people compared him to Fred Robbins when he came out of ECU. Good size, good quickness, not the best in the strength dept
    [/quote]



    Strengths: Joseph is an incredibly strong tackle who can hold
    the nose and take on double teams. Had an incredible junior year with 60
    tackles with 13 for a loss and three sacks. Gets better penetration
    than you’d expect from such a big player. Joseph is a massive, engulfing
    tackler. Shows a good motor – while it lasts.</p>


    Weaknesses: Doesn’t always seem to play up to his size. Lets
    guards overpower him and move him off the line. Tends to play too high
    which lets blockers under his pads. Stamina may be a serious issue.
    Played in a rotation for ECU and often seemed winded. Had major weight
    fluctuations during his career.</p>


    Final word: With the number of teams needing 3-4 defensive
    lineman, Joseph made a smart move entering the draft a year early. He
    was part of an impressive defensive line rotation.</p>


    There is plenty to like about Joseph, namely his size and intriguing
    athleticism. He really helped himself with an excellent combine
    performance. But there are some work ethic issues that will need to be
    addressed.</p>


    </p>

    http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/3/30/1396415/linval-joseph-nfl-draft-scouting</p>

    -------------------</p>


    </p><div id="apDiv12">
    <ul>[*]Very strong, 39 reps of 225, and lower body is very strong as well[*]Good size, 6-4 330, makes him the ideal size to play Nose Tackle in a 3-4[*]Very athletic, quick feet and hands, carries his weight very well[*]Can bully his way inside with pure strength[*]Very good tackler, has great closing speed on the QB or ball carrier[*]Very productive in college, proved the ability to penetrate[*]Very high upside, if he develops could be a dominant nose tackle[/list]</div>
    http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/linval.html


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    <ul>[*]Combination of size (including height and weight) and athleticism for a big DT[*]Can play nose tackle in a 3-4 or 4-3[/list]
    http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/pro...val_Joseph.jsp
    </p>

    [/quote]Well the deeper I dig the more I find out that he was projected to go to a 3-4 team or play as a 1 tech DT in the NFL

    Hmm, well no matter the case, he's doing well as a hybrid DT
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