THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[Morehead State]

Let me just say this. I don't follow the NHL like I used to. (for reasons I have already explained), but back when the Blackhawks played at the old Chicago Stadium, a playoff game there was just about the most exciting and intense sporting event there was.</P>


That place rocked like I've never seen at any football game or basketball game.</P>


Hockey is much more of a live sport than basketball or even baseball. Its just not a great fit for TV. But the NHL is a very exciting game, especially in the playoffs. The league has made several mistakes, especially having far too many teams in an attempt to Americanize it. But the game itself is great at its core.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
[/quote]4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats
[/quote]

they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
[/quote]More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while NBA teams have better road followings
[/quote]

Not if u take out the Canadian franchises
[/quote]If you take out the Canadian teams there are still more NHL teams that sell out on a consistent basis
[/quote]


http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

the truth will set you free
[/quote]The NHL would still have more teams (Chicago, Philthy, SJ, DC, STL, Boston, Pittsburgh) compared to the NBA (Dallas, Chicago, Portland, Orlando, Miami, Boston)

The NHL also has 4 teams that sellout 99% of their games compared to the NBAs 3
[/quote]

bottom line is that overall both leagues don't sell out overall and can sell more tickets if they had the fan base and the NBA still outdraws the NHL

[Kase-1]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
[/quote]4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats
[/quote]

they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
[/quote]More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while <font color="#0000ff">NBA teams have better road followings
</font>[/quote]</p>


wouldnt this suggest that there are clearly MORE fans of MORE teams than anything the nhl can claim?
Look at someone like Lando. He lives in a small market, but is a fan of teams that play nowhere near him, in NY and LA. </p>[/quote]

don't let Rex get u all worked up

the TV ratings tell it all - he just is grasping
[/quote]Rex???[/quote]

your the Rex Ryan of this debate

a little success and you think Hockey is nationally accepted

and you avoid all the truths and just try to hang on a minor jaded fact which really doesn't represent the debate at all, but still think u win because of it...

much like Rex Ryan thought he ran NY because his team lost in the AFCC twice...


[/quote]LMAO, YOU'RE the Rex Ryan of this debate. It was long over than out of nowhere you start it up today which is something that Rex does all the time, ok Rex?

Hockey is obviously accepted, you realize that facts are being put forth and you change your argument, its the same thing as yesterday. I can continue this for a little while longer then Im going out to get those $1 SB programs from the Dollar Tree

[JPizzack]

[quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="JPizzack"]just paid for my Vegas trip.

$670 for flight, and 4 nights/5 days in Mandalay Bay resort/casino.

my friends are desperately trying to make do the exotic car racing....its like $400 to drive 5 laps around a legit track in a Ferrari 458...which is like my dream car. but that's a pretty steep price =\
Idk...maybe i'll do it.
I rather just drop a few hundred and get a baller *** car for the entire time im there.[/quote]
This sure is a big change from the guy who didn't know if he would have money to go to a Giants game months in advance. Have fun man. Vegas is awesome.
[/quote]</P>


Rent when down
I moved home when my buddy sold the house, remember?
It's cool, im able to save alot more for things i want, even after the first month. </P>


and yea, the first year of THEE game, i was definitely hurting for money...badly.</P>


and **** you matt....suck my ****. i'll give you a dollar. kthx =]</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

Let me just say this. I don't follow the NHL like I used to. (for reasons I have already explained), but back when the Blackhawks played at the old Chicago Stadium, a playoff game there was just about the most exciting and intense sporting event there was.</p>


That place rocked like I've never seen at any football game or basketball game.</p>


Hockey is much more of a live sport than basketball or even baseball. Its just not a great fit for TV. But the NHL is a very exciting game, especially in the playoffs. The league has made several mistakes, especially having far too many teams in an attempt to Americanize it. But the game itself is great at its core.</p>[/quote]

Blackhawks seem to be the biggest attractiong between any team in any league

which is funny because I don't know one person on their team.

Its silly to even have this conversation... what Lundquist did the other day was INSANE. A shutout on 42 shots is something that I even know is sick.

It was still page 4 print compared to Lin and the Knicks. You may have some hardcore hockey towns, but the truth is that nobody really cares throughout the whole country

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
[/quote]4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats
[/quote]

they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
[/quote]More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while <font color="#0000ff">NBA teams have better road followings
</font>[/quote]</p>


wouldnt this suggest that there are clearly MORE fans of MORE teams than anything the nhl can claim?
Look at someone like Lando. He lives in a small market, but is a fan of teams that play nowhere near him, in NY and LA. </p>[/quote]

don't let Rex get u all worked up

the TV ratings tell it all - he just is grasping
[/quote]Rex???[/quote]

your the Rex Ryan of this debate

a little success and you think Hockey is nationally accepted

and you avoid all the truths and just try to hang on a minor jaded fact which really doesn't represent the debate at all, but still think u win because of it...

much like Rex Ryan thought he ran NY because his team lost in the AFCC twice...


[/quote]LMAO, YOU'RE the Rex Ryan of this debate. It was long over than out of nowhere you start it up today which is something that Rex does all the time, ok Rex?

Hockey is obviously accepted, you realize that facts are being put forth and you change your argument, its the same thing as yesterday. I can continue this for a little while longer then Im going out to get those $1 SB programs from the Dollar Tree


[/quote]

you responded to me after i got off the boards, so I just responded to what u responded too

no im not.. America thinks its boring. I always said it was in the big 4. OBVIOUSLY by saying that it gets attention, but it does not compare to the other sports.

like i said your in the trees being a tree hugger so you can't see the forrest

[bigblue4417]

If you look at the top 17 on that hockey list only 1 team is not in the northeast or Canada. That is LA, one of the biggest cities in the world. Hockey is more popular in the east coast and colder climates. Plus it has a tradition up there. People in the midwest or west coast don't really care about hockey at all I would think unless they have a team in the city.

TV is a whole different story. There are NBA games on all the time. There is never hockey on unless it's on VS and who knows who even gets that channel. They get one national game a week and people barely watch that I bet. People would be much more inclined to watch a BBall game while browsing through the channels than a hockey game.

It is also losing popularity because of how difficult it is to play. Cities don't have rinks set up to play or programs to teach kids. You can't just go out in the front yard and play. You can bounce a ball with a hoop anywhere in the country and in any climate.

Hockey in the Northeast compared to the rest of the country is a HUGE difference. Plus if you have a city with a B'ball team and a hockey team I could almost guarantee the Bball team is going to be more popular than the hockey team most of the time.

[Kase-1]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
[/quote]4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats
[/quote]

they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
[/quote]More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while NBA teams have better road followings
[/quote]

Not if u take out the Canadian franchises
[/quote]If you take out the Canadian teams there are still more NHL teams that sell out on a consistent basis
[/quote]


http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/...11/sort/allPct

the truth will set you free
[/quote]The NHL would still have more teams (Chicago, Philthy, SJ, DC, STL, Boston, Pittsburgh) compared to the NBA (Dallas, Chicago, Portland, Orlando, Miami, Boston)

The NHL also has 4 teams that sellout 99% of their games compared to the NBAs 3
[/quote]

bottom line is that overall both leagues don't sell out overall and can sell more tickets if they had the fan base and the NBA still outdraws the NHL
[/quote]

Bottom line is that the NBA cant stand up to the NHL in selling out and maintaining strong fanbases. If they had the fanbases of the NFL we'd both be screwed as fans, then again thatll never happen cause NBA and NHL have 82 game seasons

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]


Let me just say this. I don't follow the NHL like I used to. (for reasons I have already explained), but back when the Blackhawks played at the old Chicago Stadium, a playoff game there was just about the most exciting and intense sporting event there was.</P>


That place rocked like I've never seen at any football game or basketball game.</P>


Hockey is much more of a live sport than basketball or even baseball. Its just not a great fit for TV. But the NHL is a very exciting game, especially in the playoffs. The league has made several mistakes, especially having far too many teams in an attempt to Americanize it. But the game itself is great at its core.</P>


[/quote]

Blackhawks seem to be the biggest attractiong between any team in any league

which is funny because I don't know one person on their team.

Its silly to even have this conversation... what Lundquist did the other day was INSANE. A shutout on 42 shots is something that I even know is sick.

It was still page 4 print compared to Lin and the Knicks. You may have some hardcore hockey towns, but the truth is that nobody really cares throughout the whole country
[/quote]</P>


I don't really know what the excitement is at Blackhawk games these days. But in the days of Stan Makita and Tony Esposito, it was nuts.</P>


You can look at attendance figures if you like. But hoops draws more celebrities, corporations, and other phony fans. Hockey fans are hard core.</P>


Basketball is all about slam dunks, hotdogging, one on one play and the glorification of a few superstars. Hockey is all about the <U>game</U>.</P>


Gotta go with Kase 100% on this argument.</P>

[Kase-1]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"]

Let me just say this. I don't follow the NHL like I used to. (for reasons I have already explained), but back when the Blackhawks played at the old Chicago Stadium, a playoff game there was just about the most exciting and intense sporting event there was.</p>


That place rocked like I've never seen at any football game or basketball game.</p>


Hockey is much more of a live sport than basketball or even baseball. Its just not a great fit for TV. But the NHL is a very exciting game, especially in the playoffs. The league has made several mistakes, especially having far too many teams in an attempt to Americanize it. But the game itself is great at its core.</p>[/quote]

Blackhawks seem to be the biggest attractiong between any team in any league

which is funny because I don't know one person on their team.

Its silly to even have this conversation... what Lundquist did the other day was INSANE. A shutout on 42 shots is something that I even know is sick.

It was still page 4 print compared to Lin and the Knicks. You may have some hardcore hockey towns, but the truth is that nobody really cares throughout the whole country
[/quote]See ridiculous generalized statements like that make this argument go on WAY too long