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    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]i like beatty but im not sure hes ready yet. plus i see beatty replacing kmac before diehl.
    [/quote]Beatty has the agility and speed of a prototypical LT, but doesnt have the mauling ability or strength to be that prototye RT. Then again with the infulx of speed rushers who knows what the trend will be in a few seasons

    RT's are usually mauling beastly masters of the run blocking game whos strength and gusto make up for lack of athletic ability

    LT's are usually agile, more-athletic, pass protection specialists with great footwork
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <FONT color=#0000ff>each season that he started

    </FONT>
    [/quote]</P>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</P>
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    [quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

    </font>
    [/quote]</p>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>[/quote]1st season didnt play
    2nd season played a decent amount
    3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

    Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

    </font>
    [/quote]</p>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>[/quote]1st season didnt play
    2nd season played a decent amount
    3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season <font size="6">and then once hes replaced the offensive line looks COMPLETELY BETTER</font>

    Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
    [/quote]

    fixed it for u

    he played unbalanced. Decent against pass rush and brutal vs the run

    I'll wait too becuase Diehl will not only be back this year but will start at LT. If they do try something and hes not starting at tackle to start, he will by seasons end will not be a giant the following year unless he signs the minimum to be a backup.

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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

    </font>
    [/quote]</p>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>[/quote]1st season didnt play
    2nd season played a decent amount
    3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

    Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
    [/quote]youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.

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    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

    </font>
    [/quote]</p>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>[/quote]1st season didnt play
    2nd season played a decent amount
    3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

    Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
    [/quote]youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
    [/quote]Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
    Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

    When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

    http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

    David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
    efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
    into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
    allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
    free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
    ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
    first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating.
    - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...nsive-tackles/

    But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

    ...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

    </font>
    [/quote]</p>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>[/quote]1st season didnt play
    2nd season played a decent amount
    3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

    Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
    [/quote]youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
    [/quote]Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
    Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

    When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

    http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

    David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
    efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
    into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
    allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
    free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
    ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
    first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating.
    - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...nsive-tackles/

    But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

    ...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air
    [/quote]Or this one where Diehl was ranked THEE WORST OG Against the pass rush

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...s-and-centers/
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    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
    [/quote]

    i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

    They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
    [/quote]OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

    Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
    Diehl is better at run blocking

    Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

    </font>
    [/quote]</p>


    soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
    I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>[/quote]1st season didnt play
    2nd season played a decent amount
    3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

    Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
    [/quote]youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
    [/quote]Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
    Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

    When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

    http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

    David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
    efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
    into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
    allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
    free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
    ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
    first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating.
    - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...nsive-tackles/

    But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

    ...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air
    [/quote]

    why don't you average out games played at tackle vs games played period

    And i'm sorry, but two years ago when he got to come in as the unbalanced tight end doesn't really count in this debate. If your trying to make the stats argument thats fine... but ur not going to include games where he got in on plays... Average out sacks given up at the tackle position vs passing snaps at the tackle position....

    whats with u and the general weak statistical arguments lately
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    and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

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    [quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
    Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

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    4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</P>


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