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    [quote user="Morehead State"] Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. [/quote]

    Hey I take offense to that, the reason I even posted it was because it was from Mass and I know you are from Mass and wanted your opinion on it because I didn't know, I never claimed it to be fact.

    but it is common sense that if you cover more people with the same (or less doctors) wait times will increase...it's impossible for them not to, it's also common sense that once bureaucracy gets involved every system gets bogged down...the quality of care and length of wait both necessarily HAVE to get worse...it's simply the only logical conclusion.

    about why some people claim they love their nationalized health care (Canada/UK) and some claim they hate it in the same places....I have to think they simply do not understand or have never used the alternative.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</P>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</P>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</P>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</P>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</P>


    I have great dental insurance.</P>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</P>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</P>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</P>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</P>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</P>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</P>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</P>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</P>


    You have to be kidding me.</P>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</P>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</P>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </P>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</P>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</P>


    [/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. Americans arent' self reliant anymore.
    [/quote]</P>


    And its this attitude that is the biggest problem. "Americans need to be cared for by the federal government". If this is true we are truly doomed.</P>
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    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="JPizzack"]After watching a handful of documentaries about how nationalized healthcare works, and how people love it, and how doctors love it because they are compensated sometimes even better than our private doctors.....I'm kinda for it. Not that I can speak for the doctors in england and canada, but they in interviews say their jobs are satisfying because they know they have the ability to help everyone. Not just people with insurnace. Well, they said that when asked, so it was prompted obviously, but, it makes sense. thats how you know youre making a difference.[/quote]</p>


    Doctors love it? Where in God's name did you read that. Do you know how many doctors drop out of Medicare because they can't get paid AND when they do its crap amounts?</p>


    Look at the research, doctors hate the Medicare system and Obamacare is Medicare on steroids.</p>


    </p>


    [/quote]</p>


    There were films. One was a <u>PBS</u> thing called Sick Around the World, I also watched Sicko, and a BBC doc called World Service, Health of a Nation</p>


    I can't take your word for it, when we've seen Canadians, in this thread say it's great.</p>[/quote]well there you go. thats why doctors "loved" it
    [/quote]

    like this is the typical reason why I can't stand republicans.

    YOu will throw stuff that supports your theory out and I'll accept it, but then when we retort with the fact that we've had people actually in our debate say that they love it it just gets overlooked and ignored like it shouldn't matter just because it opposes your view point.

    Why does MH's daughter's experience out trump bandwagons?
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    [quote user="Morehead State"]

    And its all a moot point. The American people would never stand for it. As I said, we are a self reliant people. Generally Americans have little or no interest is giving up the freedoms required here to have a single payer system.</p>


    </p>


    It is what has always seperated us from people from other countries. Self determination is the essential tenent of the American experience. It is precisely that that has created the most prosperous and just society on the planet.</p>


    We will NEVER support a more entitled society. We will always choose to control our own destiny. That is what makes us inherantly American.</p>[/quote]

    that is what we are losing as a society though Morehead...more and more people are becoming dependent on the government under this administration...and once they become dependent on the government they don't mind giving up their rights for more hand outs.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</p>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</p>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>[/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. <u>Americans arent' self reliant anymore. </u>
    [/quote]WHAAAAT?!? maybe hippys and people living off welfare. That right there is scarier than ANYTHING mh has stated.

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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</p>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</p>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>


    [/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. Americans arent' self reliant anymore.
    [/quote]</p>


    And its this attitude that is the biggest problem. "Americans need to be cared for by the federal government". If this is true we are truly doomed.</p>[/quote]

    hate to break it to you, but its what has alreayd happened and shown to be truth.

    I'm sorry but its true. First step to solving a problem is identifying it. You've yet to identify that we have fallen from being self reliant
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"] Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. [/quote]

    Hey I take offense to that, the reason I even posted it was because it was from Mass and I know you are from Mass and wanted your opinion on it because I didn't know, I never claimed it to be fact.

    but it is common sense that if you cover more people with the same (or less doctors) wait times will increase...it's impossible for them not to, it's also common sense that once bureaucracy gets involved every system gets bogged down...the quality of care and length of wait both necessarily HAVE to get worse...it's simply the only logical conclusion.

    about why some people claim they love their nationalized health care (Canada/UK) and some claim they hate it in the same places....I have to think they simply do not understand or have never used the alternative.
    [/quote]</P>


    You posted something like "the average wait time in Mass is 50 days" which is completely bogus.</P>


    Mass. does not have a socialized medical system in any way. Its a myth spread by Romney haters.</P>


    Mitt Romney is the most conservative candidate when it comes to fiscal policy, which is exactly what we need. He's more moderate on social issues which is fine with me.</P>
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    [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</p>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</p>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>[/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. <u>Americans arent' self reliant anymore. </u>
    [/quote]WHAAAAT?!? maybe hippys and people living off welfare. That right there is scarier than ANYTHING mh has stated.
    [/quote]

    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?

    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</P>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</P>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</P>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</P>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</P>


    I have great dental insurance.</P>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</P>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</P>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</P>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</P>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</P>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</P>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</P>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</P>


    You have to be kidding me.</P>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</P>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</P>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </P>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</P>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</P>


    [/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. Americans arent' self reliant anymore.
    [/quote]</P>


    And its this attitude that is the biggest problem. "Americans need to be cared for by the federal government". If this is true we are truly doomed.</P>


    [/quote]

    hate to break it to you, but its what has alreayd happened and shown to be truth.

    I'm sorry but its true. First step to solving a problem is identifying it. You've yet to identify that we have fallen from being self reliant
    [/quote]</P>


    I wonder how much of our social welfare experiment (which nurtures dependancy on the government) over the past 50 years has to do with it. Well we are in for a rude awakening, because running $1 trillion+ deficits will be the ruin of us. Unless that is dealt with, there will be no safety net in this country. There will only be interest payments to the Chinese.</P>


    Then we will be self reliant by need.</P>
    "Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history" ........Mahatma Gandhi

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="Morehead State"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</p>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</p>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>[/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. <u>Americans arent' self reliant anymore. </u>
    [/quote]WHAAAAT?!? maybe hippys and people living off welfare. That right there is scarier than ANYTHING mh has stated.
    [/quote]

    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?
    <u>
    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.</u>
    [/quote]Its the individual Matt, and it worked for over 200 years until recently. The problem is politicians saying were all victims and we need all these social and federal programs, outsourcing jobs, a war we didnt start, and countless other things.

    The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

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