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    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
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    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


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    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
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    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>[/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. <u>Americans arent' self reliant anymore. </u>
    [/quote]WHAAAAT?!? maybe hippys and people living off welfare. That right there is scarier than ANYTHING mh has stated.
    [/quote]

    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?
    <u>
    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.</u>
    [/quote]Its the individual Matt, and it worked for over 200 years until recently. The problem is politicians saying were all victims and we need all these social and federal programs, outsourcing jobs, a war we didnt start, and countless other things.

    The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
    [/quote]

    oh god.

    the founding fathers argument.

    Lets get real about the founding fathers as well. **** that was going on 40 years ago in this country, let alone 200 years, can't be applied to the way this world and country is today.

    Your right it may of worked for 200 years, did we not hit a ceiling? Are things okay? You guys can spread your Obama hate all you want, but this country's damage wasn't done over night. We were setup to fail so whats that say about what the past 200 years actually did besides just give us 200 years.

    The founding fathers might as well of been the authors of the bible as well. Great basic principals to a degree but can't relate to the world we are in today. They probably couldn't even fathom what this world would be like today. None of us can fathom what the world will be like in 200 years from now either.


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    [quote user="Morehead State"]You posted something like "the average wait time in Mass is 50 days" which is completely bogus.[/quote]

    I posted that I heard that claim, I also posted a link to the source of the claim which admittedly was just a youtube blog video....which is the entire reason I posted it here....to find out the truth from you....and then you rip on me for trying to find out the truth acting like I was saying it as if it were fact.

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    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</p>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</p>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>


    [/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. Americans arent' self reliant anymore.
    [/quote]</p>


    And its this attitude that is the biggest problem. "Americans need to be cared for by the federal government". If this is true we are truly doomed.</p>


    [/quote]

    hate to break it to you, but its what has alreayd happened and shown to be truth.

    I'm sorry but its true. First step to solving a problem is identifying it. You've yet to identify that we have fallen from being self reliant
    [/quote]</p>


    I wonder how much of our social welfare experiment (which nurtures dependancy on the government) over the past 50 years has to do with it. Well we are in for a rude awakening, because running $1 trillion+ deficits will be the ruin of us. Unless that is dealt with, there will be no safety net in this country. There will only be interest payments to the Chinese.</p>


    Then we will be self reliant by need.</p>[/quote]

    i just looked it up quick.... "Welfare" took up 12% of the national budget

    that 12% is made up of:
    1. General retirement and disability insurance
    2. Federal employee retirement and disability
    3. Unemployment compensation
    4. Housing assistance
    5. Food and nutrition assistance
    6. Other income security


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    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?

    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.
    [/quote]

    The reason we are in this situation is because over the last 30 years we've become LESS self-reliant....we need to get back to becoming more self-reliant...and the best way to do that is to reduce the size of our government.

    So if you agree that we need to be more self-reliant and being more self-reliant means less government...then why are you advocating more government?

    Clinton/Bush/Obama have all massively increased the size of government....and now we are in bad shape...how do you not see that reducing the size of government is what we need to do?

    you keep saying things like "we tried to be self-reliant" it didn't work???? that's completely bogus...it did work...it worked for more then a hundred years...what happened is we STOPPED being self-reliant...we need to go back to it.

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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?

    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.
    [/quote]

    The reason we are in this situation is because over the last 30 years we've become LESS self-reliant....we need to get back to becoming more self-reliant...and the best way to do that is to reduce the size of our government.

    So if you agree that we need to be more self-reliant and being more self-reliant means less government...then why are you advocating more government?
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    how have we become less self reliant?
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?

    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.
    [/quote]

    The reason we are in this situation is because over the last 30 years we've become LESS self-reliant....we need to get back to becoming more self-reliant...and the best way to do that is to reduce the size of our government.

    So if you agree that we need to be more self-reliant and being more self-reliant means less government...then why are you advocating more government?

    Clinton/Bush/Obama have all massively increased the size of government....and now we are in bad shape...how do you not see that reducing the size of government is what we need to do?

    you keep saying things like "we tried to be self-reliant" it didn't work???? that's completely bogus...it did work...it worked for more then a hundred years...what happened is we STOPPED being self-reliant...we need to go back to it.
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    actually, government jobs have decreased under OBama
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    [quote user="DavenIII"]Also I just saw a claim recently.

    it said the average cost per month for healthcare in Mass (which has done what Obama care is supposed to do just on a state level)

    600$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 50 Days - Boston

    it was compared to Atlanta which is a more "average" health care system.

    200$ Month - Average wait for an appointment 11 Days - Atlanta

    so why is the statewide healthcare plan in Mass considered a success if it's increasing cost and lowering quality of care...and if that's the case why did Obama base his plan off that one...and is that what we can all expect for everyone once it starts being implemented on a federal level?
    [/quote]</p>


    I live in Mass Daven. I call my doctor at 9:00 and he can see me no later than 11:00. All the Mass. HC law does is insure the small minority that aren't insured now. It has absolutely NO EFFECT on the 95% of people who already have insurance.</p>


    My insurance is great actually. We have a low deductable and no co pay. Its because we have good insurance through the market system.</p>


    I have no idea where these numbers of yours come from. I live here.</p>


    [/quote] I've never even heard of that. That number is simply for the Obamacare he's quoting, right? I love my insurance, and my company has done a kickass job of making sure we don't get cornholed on the premiums. little to no copays, free prescription drugs basically. My one gripe is with dental coverage, but i've never heard anyone say they like their dental insurance.[/quote]</p>


    I have great dental insurance.</p>


    [/quote]

    further proof that your experience with healthcare isn't a good sample of the restof the country...

    or were u just davening?
    [/quote]</p>


    Now you get to be forced to buy HC insurance whether you can afford it or not. Didn't you say last year that you didn't have it because is was too expensive? Starting in 2014, you don't get to decide for yourself. You will be forced to buy insurance from private insurance companies thanks to Obamacare.</p>


    My point is that the HC law in Mass. has no effect on the 95% of residents that already have insurance.</p>


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    yes but, not at 125 dollars a week. Lando was the one that can't afford the insurance. Two jobs ago when I was working for a window and door gallery 7 years ago, I think I was making like 13 an hour on a 40 hour week and it would of cost me 125 bucks a week for insurance.

    This is for people caught in those situations and with the unemployment the way it is people who are out of work. So many countries do this and have success. Much like the way Daven started spilling stats of Mass, you had to correct him. Its the same thing that happens when people start talking about how health insurance is other countries that have national healthcare. THEY ALL LOVE IT.

    Infact the canucks have poked in on these convos when we have had them multiple times to say they can't believe the amount of people that are against this idea in the states.

    It seems like your in a good situation and i'm glad for you and you SHOULD vote against this because obviously it doesn't make sense for you personally - but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for ALOT of other people. I can't get into the debates with you because I don't know enough facts to argue it because I haven't really been following much lately. But i'll just stick to my general rule of thumb: oppose anything that pappy and daven say

    EDIT: isn't obama care being modeled after a successful healthcare model (Mass situation) in which you have just said works for you, but yet ur still not for it??
    [/quote]</p>


    My daughter ilves in the UK. She gets the choice of the UK HC system or private insurance provided by the US gov. She says the UK HC system is a nightmare. Essentially any non life threatening conditions usually take 4-6 months for an appt, Obviously, all the US gov. employees choose private insurance.</p>


    You don't know how bad it is there Matt. This comes from someone who is there. Not bogus studies by posted by Daven. Her Brit friends all hate it.</p>


    You don't understand how inefficient things get when huge bureaucracies run them. Its not idealogy. Its just the way it is. We need more competition in the system, not less.</p>


    [/quote]

    okay and canadians have come in here and we've heard it from the horses mouth that they LOVE it
    [/quote]</p>


    You have to be kidding me.</p>


    What about Danny Williams, the Premier of Newfoundland, coming to the US for heart surgery.</p>


    Its meatball healthcare in Canada. And it builds complaisance. Thats the worst thing these kinds of things do. They build a dependence on government that takes away your spirit. Its all over Europe right now. Thats why we outproduce them and they come calling on us when they need military help.</p>


    Americans are self reliant. And that attitude creates economic growth and prosperity. Nationalized healthcare and other huge government programs work against that. </p>


    The European people have learned to depend on others. Thats why they are weak and needy. Thats why the fiscal crisis is spreading to Spain and Portugal. It will soon find its way to France and the UK.</p>


    The "cradle to grave" entitilement society strips the ambition out of people. It will be discredited as time goes byespecially asgovernments go broke.</p>[/quote]

    I just disagree with your general assessment that Americans are self reliant. You have some pretty scary views moorehead, not going to lie.

    And I think your living in the past. <u>Americans arent' self reliant anymore. </u>
    [/quote]WHAAAAT?!? maybe hippys and people living off welfare. That right there is scarier than ANYTHING mh has stated.
    [/quote]

    how much money have we borrowed over the past 30 years? Whats the condition of our employment rate? What have we let the medical and academic fields become? Hows our banking and mortgage crisis doing?
    <u>
    If we were truly self reliant we'd be in a MUCH better place. We have tried to be self reliant but it really hasn't worked.</u>
    [/quote]Its the individual Matt, and it worked for over 200 years until recently. The problem is politicians saying were all victims and we need all these social and federal programs, outsourcing jobs, a war we didnt start, and countless other things.

    The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
    [/quote]

    oh god.

    the founding fathers argument.

    Lets get real about the founding fathers as well. **** that was going on 40 years ago in this country, let alone 200 years, can't be applied to the way this world and country is today.

    Your right it may of worked for 200 years, did we not hit a ceiling? Are things okay? You guys can spread your Obama hate all you want, but this country's damage wasn't done over night.<u> We were setup to fail so whats that say about what the past 200 years actually did besides just give us 200 years.</u>

    The founding fathers might as well of been the authors of the bible as well. Great basic principals to a degree but can't relate to the world we are in today. They probably couldn't even fathom what this world would be like today. None of us can fathom what the world will be like in 200 years from now either.


    [/quote]Giiiive me a break Matt. It was made to fail? Its hitting a ceiling because of all the changes that have been made to this country by both parties and never ending spending. Name one amendment in the constitution that cant be related today. Just one. Ill wait.

    And you just said "if we were truly reliant wed be a MUCH better place" so why are you voting for people that want to include more government in your life?????????

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    And its all a moot point. The American people would never stand for it. As I said, we are a self reliant people. Generally Americans have little or no interest is giving up the freedoms required here to have a single payer system.</p>


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    It is what has always seperated us from people from other countries. Self determination is the essential tenent of the American experience. It is precisely that that has created the most prosperous and just society on the planet.</p>


    We will NEVER support a more entitled society. We will always choose to control our own destiny. That is what makes us inherantly American.</p>[/quote]

    this is special case though. This isn't just a business thing its a social move as well. I just checked the numbers and nobody knows for real how much it would be a week but estimated to cost hte average american 50 bucks a week in the single pay... i pay about 35 bucks a week as it is.

    Its not going to be a major hit. Also my company is owned by a French family. I just asked one dude what he thought of france's system and he said he loved it. I asked which he preferred he said France.

    And we have a good healthcare situation here.

    just sayin Moorehead, theres plenty of people just as happy with the national system as there are that aren't happy.

    I would say that national healthcare would help more people than the current system does and thats why i'm for it.


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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]how have we become less self reliant?[/quote]

    Seriously?

    Ok you realize government programs are the opposite of self reliance right? if the government is helping you then you are not being self reliant.....

    The government has been supplying more and more help in too many forms to list here...but Welfare and Medicare for example...Social Security (which has been around for a while but the payments have been expanding and the revenue has been shrinking) all these government programs meant to help the poor...their cost is going up...they are paying for more people.

    The deregulation of the housing market, again....the government stepping in telling business's (IE Banks) that they HAVE to help out the little guy.

    "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" Matt (That's a quote from someone I don't know lol)

    the point is the more the government tries to "help" the more people become dependent on that help....and over the last 30 years there has been a massive massive increase in social spending to "help" people....that's stripped those people of their self-reliance and that's why we are in a poor situation.

    this is gonna sound like I'm being an *** hole but it's the truth.

    people on welfare, people using food stamps, people on unemployment, people living in rent restricted housing etc etc....anyone who needs the governments help SHOULD be embarrassed...they should be trying as hard as they can to be self-reliant....that's what America's built on....people that can handle themselves without help from anyone else (including the government)

    But no ones embarrassed anymore, everyone's looking for their peice of the pie, everyones looking for a way to scam the system....and it's a horrible thing...people shouldn't WANT help....but instead people that don't even need help find ways to get it anyhow...and the people that do need it are content with living on it...they don't want to pull themselves out of it.

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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]actually, government jobs have decreased under OBama[/quote]

    First off that's just false, but secondly even if it were true, government spending has still SKYROCKETED to twice what Bush was spending and that was previously by far the highest...
    so the actual amount of jobs is sort of a moot point.

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