THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]game over

i win[/quote]

Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

the X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so then the actual production you get.


[/quote]X-Y-Z has no bearing on snaps or who is considered the #1 on a team. [/quote]

WTF of course X-Y-Z has a bearing on Snaps....and of course it has everything to do with who is #1 on the team...the X is always the #1 receiver X-Y-Z translates into 1-2-3

what are you like New to this football thing?

and you can throw up your misleading poll on TAGF I don't give a crap about what results you get cause you always doctor it your way...just like your hypotheticals...

Going to lunch...have fun trying to convince people you are right while I'm away.
[/quote]

i copied and pasted what u said

i simply asked what everybody thought Victor Cruz as, our #1, #2, or #3 WR

I think copied your post

nothing misleading

[MattMeyerBud]

truths in there daven.

[quote user="Drez"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]
Daven is suggesting
that Mario was the #2 for us and said that most would agree with him so
I'm just trying to get a grasp on what everybody thinks.
[/quote]</p>


When has the majority ever agreed with Daven when it comes to WRs... Does he still want Braylon, lol?</p>[/quote]

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]game over

i win[/quote]

Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

the X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so then the actual production you get.


[/quote]X-Y-Z has no bearing on snaps or who is considered the #1 on a team. [/quote]

WTF of course X-Y-Z has a bearing on Snaps....and of course it has everything to do with who is #1 on the team...the X is always the #1 receiver X-Y-Z translates into 1-2-3

what are you like New to this football thing?

and you can throw up your misleading poll on TAGF I don't give a crap about what results you get cause you always doctor it your way...just like your hypotheticals...

Going to lunch...have fun trying to convince people you are right while I'm away.
[/quote]

i copied and pasted what u said

i simply asked what everybody thought Victor Cruz as, our #1, #2, or #3 WR

I think copied your post

nothing misleading
[/quote]</P>


Have no idea what anyone's position is here. cruz is primarily a slot receiver. Doesn't make him our 3rd best WR though. He's by anyone's standard or 2nd best WR.</P>


The notion of #1, #2, #3 have different meanings depending on who you're talking to. But simply playing the slot does not make you a #3 WR. Not if you mean that it makes him the 3rd best WR on the field.</P>


In the 2002 playoff game against us, Terell Owens killed us from the slot. He was still their best WR.</P>

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]game over

i win[/quote]

Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

the X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so then the actual production you get.


[/quote]X-Y-Z has no bearing on snaps or who is considered the #1 on a team. [/quote]

WTF of course X-Y-Z has a bearing on Snaps....and of course it has everything to do with who is #1 on the team...the X is always the #1 receiver X-Y-Z translates into 1-2-3

what are you like New to this football thing?

and you can throw up your misleading poll on TAGF I don't give a crap about what results you get cause you always doctor it your way...just like your hypotheticals...

Going to lunch...have fun trying to convince people you are right while I'm away.
[/quote]

i copied and pasted what u said

i simply asked what everybody thought Victor Cruz as, our #1, #2, or #3 WR

I think copied your post

nothing misleading
[/quote]</p>


Have no idea what anyone's position is here. cruz is primarily a slot receiver. Doesn't make him our 3rd best WR though. He's by anyone's standard or 2nd best WR.</p>


The notion of #1, #2, #3 have different meanings depending on who you're talking to. But simply playing the slot does not make you a #3 WR. Not if you mean that it makes him the 3rd best WR on the field.</p>


In the 2002 playoff game against us, Terell Owens killed us from the slot. He was still their best WR.</p>[/quote]

to me X-Y-Z translates into 1-2-3

I agree he's our 2nd "Best" Receiver MH, but I'm saying for the majority of last year he would be considered our 3rd receiver at least in my opinion.

Defenses watched Manningham more to start...Cruz was in the Slot, I think Manningham was the second option on most passing plays (for most of the year) and I think even up into the playoffs Manningham was on the field in 2 WR sets and Cruz was on the bench.

I'm not at all saying Manningham is a better WR...what I'm saying is for most of last year Manningham was the second option...the Y position also...just seems like he was what you'd call the #2 in my opinion for most of the year.

[byron]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]game over

i win[/quote]

Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

the X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so then the actual production you get.


[/quote]X-Y-Z has no bearing on snaps or who is considered the #1 on a team. [/quote]

WTF of course X-Y-Z has a bearing on Snaps....and of course it has everything to do with who is #1 on the team...the X is always the #1 receiver X-Y-Z translates into 1-2-3

what are you like New to this football thing?

and you can throw up your misleading poll on TAGF I don't give a crap about what results you get cause you always doctor it your way...just like your hypotheticals...

Going to lunch...have fun trying to convince people you are right while I'm away.
[/quote]

i copied and pasted what u said

i simply asked what everybody thought Victor Cruz as, our #1, #2, or #3 WR

I think copied your post

nothing misleading
[/quote]</P>


Have no idea what anyone's position is here. cruz is primarily a slot receiver. Doesn't make him our 3rd best WR though. He's by anyone's standard or 2nd best WR.</P>


The notion of #1, #2, #3 have different meanings depending on who you're talking to. But simply playing the slot does not make you a #3 WR. Not if you mean that it makes him the 3rd best WR on the field.</P>


In the 2002 playoff game against us, Terell Owens killed us from the slot. He was still their best WR.</P>


[/quote]

to me X-Y-Z translates into 1-2-3

I agree he's our 2nd "Best" Receiver MH, but I'm saying for the majority of last year he would be considered our 3rd receiver at least in my opinion.

Defenses watched Manningham more to start...Cruz was in the Slot, I think Manningham was the second option on most passing plays (for most of the year) and I think even up into the playoffs Manningham was on the field in 2 WR sets and Cruz was on the bench.

I'm not at all saying Manningham is a better WR...what I'm saying is for most of last year Manningham was the second option...the Y position also...just seems like he was what you'd call the #2 in my opinion for most of the year.
[/quote]Eplain to xyz this is all I could find</P>


X (wide receiver) lineup on the line of scrimmage about 8-yards outside the offensive tackle.

Y (tight end) lineup on the line of scrimmage next to the tackle on the other side of the same line. The side he lines up on is known as the strong side. This is because there are more linemen on his side of the formation than the other. <FONT color=#0000ff>or Slot...no?!
</FONT>
Z (is the other wide receiver) he lines up just back off the line of scrimmage. This is why he is known as the Z-back or wingback. Sometimes he is used as a third running back and or wide receiver.</P>


knowinghow our coaches view the meaning 1,2,3 and z,y,z would be important to this convo ...no?
</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

all that XYZ does is label where the player is on the field.. it has no bearing on the talent.

In most 2 WR sets we saw Cruz and Nicks.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]all that XYZ does is label where the player is on the field.. it has no bearing on the talent.

In most 2 WR sets we saw Cruz and Nicks.
[/quote]</P>


I think this is right.</P>

[byron]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]all that XYZ does is label where the player is on the field.. it has no bearing on the talent.

In most 2 WR sets we saw Cruz and Nicks.
[/quote]Right I said this in the other thread 1,2,3 is a talent ranking more than anything...each game dictates who sees the ball more do to the coverage being given Eli is looking for the one on ones .....Its real clear to me that MM is #3 on the talent list and or pecking order of these coaches ....

[lttaylor56]

Nyg designated Weatherford as our Franchise player. Good Move.

That guy is comical. He was funny with the marching band drum at the parade.

[dezzzR]

[quote user="lttaylor56"]Nyg designated Weatherford as our Franchise player. Good Move.

That guy is comical. He was funny with the marching band drum at the parade.[/quote]I love the guys emotion for a punter.I read he was one of the guys ripping all the jets **** that covered everything Giants right after we beat the Jets. I know the Jets dropped him but still.