THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="tonyt830"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="tonyt830"]

[quote user="DavenIII"]If it's true that Shockey snitched then I'll finally dislike him...for the first time.
[/quote]whether it was Shockey or some bench warmer, I'm glad someone opened their mouth and did the right thing.</p>


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There is no place in professional sports for bounties and trying to injury key players for the opposing teams. To me it shows the lack of integrity, lack of confidence in your teammates and coaches to beat the opposition fair and square, andis thea cowardly way to play the sport.</p>


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I have no problem with a hard hitting but clean game. Injuries are part of the game, yes, but offering incentives to have a player knocked out or carted off are 100% wrong.</p>


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I'm glad the Saints, Payton, Vitt, Loomus, and Williams got the hammer dropped on them. </p>[/quote]

i disagree... unless it lead to cheap and illegal hits...

if they are rewarding a saftey for knocking a receiver out on a crossing pattern with a legal hit - i have no issue with it.


[/quote]Matt there is a difference with good, hard, clean hits and bounty shots. I mean injuries are part of the game, yes. But when a D coordinator comes out and offers money to players to take out the likes of Warner, Newton, Favre and Rodgers---that is plain wrong. To me that is saying that Williams feels his defense is not good enough to win fair and square vs the opposing teams?


You cannot compare todays NFL and the NFL from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Goddell is all about players health and safety. I have heard of players on certain teams rewarding each other for a hard hit etc. But except for Buddy Ryan, I never heard of a coach promoting it and getting caught.


And tell me Matt, God forbid Eli, Nicks, or Cruz was injured due to those bounties. You and some of these other posters would want blood!


I guess you are ok with all of these players like Dave Duerson suffering from depression and committing suicide from all of the brain injuries suffered in their careers?


If that is the case, you can petition Goddell and his committee to reinstate Payton, Williams, Vitt and Loomus ASAP. Don't forget to ask for the Saints to get their 2 picks back and have their 500K given back to them.[/quote]

define take out and define what a bounty shot is.

Im sorry, but every goal of every defense should be to take the QB out - legally. Now if the Saints were looking to play illegally thats different. But again, accidents do happen as well. You should be looking to PUNISH people on defense.

Speaking of Cruz vs the Saints, i dunno if u remember Nicks got LIT UP. LIT THE **** UP. It was a clean play, that dude got paid on it, and im fine with it. If you start late hitting (actual late hitting, not this Harrison hits McCoy type of late hit) or going low thats a different ball game as i've said.

TO say if anybody legally knocks Rodgers out of the game gets 5k, i'm fine with it. Know why? BECUASE THATS WHAT YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE WITHOUT THE MONEY AS WELL.

I didn't hear Giant fans have a problem with this last year when we were knocking out 7 QBs for the year. There is an unbalanced opinion about this.

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It all completely hinges on whether the coaching staff was giving the players the ok on trying to injure opposing players using illegal tactics or not...if the answer is no, they had to be legal hits to collect the bounty then I think the penalties are way to severe.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="tonyt830"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="tonyt830"]fairweather fan BS in here and FB? what in the world are you smoking? I'm one of the more objective posters in here. yeah I get mad when the Giants mess up or make a boneheaded play---but you are way off base when it comes to fairweather.


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And I did apologize to you in my next post after Morehead's. But since you say **** you to me, the feeling is mutual **** head! I guess I can stoop to elementary school level too!</p>


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I posted it while you wrote that. So it was bad timing.
We can either agree to disagree and take it back, or call it day and be sworn enemies, lol...you choose. Although to be perfectly honest, I dont know if I have enough room for any other arch nemesis these days. So choose wisely!</p>


[/quote]pizz, we are Giants fans---and we will not always agree on all topics. So please accept my apology for the negative and hateful words.</p>


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I don't have enough time to add enemies---LOL!!! So I choose the former!</p>


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At least you made it interesting in here for a while. They were talking about aliens for God's sake.</p>


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And don't worry about Pizz. he's like "Mikey" in the Life cereal commercial.</p>


He hates everything.</p>[/quote]

it was hard to get into THEE thread today....

I hear Davens interested because he got anally probed in Vegas

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

Matt...this is exactly what the NFL wants to put an end to.</p>


You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact.</p>[/quote]

that much is obvious, but to say I don't like it would be the biggest understatement of the century, I hate it, why are they trying to change the best and most popular sport in America...they should (and by they I mean Goodell) needs to stop changing it.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="tonyt830"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="tonyt830"]

[quote user="DavenIII"]If it's true that Shockey snitched then I'll finally dislike him...for the first time.
[/quote]whether it was Shockey or some bench warmer, I'm glad someone opened their mouth and did the right thing.</p>


</p>


There is no place in professional sports for bounties and trying to injury key players for the opposing teams. To me it shows the lack of integrity, lack of confidence in your teammates and coaches to beat the opposition fair and square, andis thea cowardly way to play the sport.</p>


</p>


I have no problem with a hard hitting but clean game. Injuries are part of the game, yes, but offering incentives to have a player knocked out or carted off are 100% wrong.</p>


</p>


I'm glad the Saints, Payton, Vitt, Loomus, and Williams got the hammer dropped on them. </p>[/quote]

i disagree... unless it lead to cheap and illegal hits...

if they are rewarding a saftey for knocking a receiver out on a crossing pattern with a legal hit - i have no issue with it.


[/quote]Matt there is a difference with good, hard, clean hits and bounty shots. I mean injuries are part of the game, yes. But when a D coordinator comes out and offers money to players to take out the likes of Warner, Newton, Favre and Rodgers---that is plain wrong. To me that is saying that Williams feels his defense is not good enough to win fair and square vs the opposing teams?


You cannot compare todays NFL and the NFL from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Goddell is all about players health and safety. I have heard of players on certain teams rewarding each other for a hard hit etc. But except for Buddy Ryan, I never heard of a coach promoting it and getting caught.


And tell me Matt, God forbid Eli, Nicks, or Cruz was injured due to those bounties. You and some of these other posters would want blood!


I guess you are ok with all of these players like Dave Duerson suffering from depression and committing suicide from all of the brain injuries suffered in their careers?


If that is the case, you can petition Goddell and his committee to reinstate Payton, Williams, Vitt and Loomus ASAP. Don't forget to ask for the Saints to get their 2 picks back and have their 500K given back to them.[/quote]

define take out and define what a bounty shot is.

Im sorry, but every goal of every defense should be to take the QB out - legally. Now if the Saints were looking to play illegally thats different. But again, accidents do happen as well. You should be looking to PUNISH people on defense.

Speaking of Cruz vs the Saints, i dunno if u remember Nicks got LIT UP. LIT THE **** UP. It was a clean play, that dude got paid on it, and im fine with it. If you start late hitting (actual late hitting, not this Harrison hits McCoy type of late hit) or going low thats a different ball game as i've said.

TO say if anybody legally knocks Rodgers out of the game gets 5k, i'm fine with it. Know why? BECUASE THATS WHAT YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE WITHOUT THE MONEY AS WELL.

I didn't hear Giant fans have a problem with this last year when we were knocking out 7 QBs for the year. There is an unbalanced opinion about this.

[/quote]

It all completely hinges on whether the coaching staff was giving the players the ok on trying to injure opposing players using illegal tactics or not...if the answer is no, they had to be legal hits to collect the bounty then I think the penalties are way to severe.
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yes i agree... and lets not forget... these charge were probably doubled because of one reason: They lied and lied about it after being questioned trying to cover it up.


and pappy - theres nothing you can do about hitting QBs legally. They are trying to change it, but it can only change so much. Mario Williams just got a 100 million dollar contract because he hits the quarterback...

we base our WHOLE defense around hitting the quarterback - it will not change

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]and pappy - theres nothing you can do about hitting QBs legally. They are trying to change it, but it can only change so much. Mario Williams just got a 100 million dollar contract because he hits the quarterback...

we base our WHOLE defense around hitting the quarterback - it will not change
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it's already changing, hitting low used to be legal...it's not now because of brady, late hits....that was barely a thing back in the days...now it's called every time it happens to a QB...even sometimes when it's clearly not late.

look at Kiwanuka on Vince Young, he literally let him go because he didn't want a penalty...the NEVER would have happened before.

It's already changing matt...and it sucks.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="tonyt830"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="tonyt830"]


[quote user="DavenIII"]If it's true that Shockey snitched then I'll finally dislike him...for the first time.
[/quote]whether it was Shockey or some bench warmer, I'm glad someone opened their mouth and did the right thing.</P>


</P>


There is no place in professional sports for bounties and trying to injury key players for the opposing teams. To me it shows the lack of integrity, lack of confidence in your teammates and coaches to beat the opposition fair and square, andis thea cowardly way to play the sport.</P>


</P>


I have no problem with a hard hitting but clean game. Injuries are part of the game, yes, but offering incentives to have a player knocked out or carted off are 100% wrong.</P>


</P>


I'm glad the Saints, Payton, Vitt, Loomus, and Williams got the hammer dropped on them. </P>


[/quote]

i disagree... unless it lead to cheap and illegal hits...

if they are rewarding a saftey for knocking a receiver out on a crossing pattern with a legal hit - i have no issue with it.


[/quote]Matt there is a difference with good, hard, clean hits and bounty shots. I mean injuries are part of the game, yes. But when a D coordinator comes out and offers money to players to take out the likes of Warner, Newton, Favre and Rodgers---that is plain wrong. To me that is saying that Williams feels his defense is not good enough to win fair and square vs the opposing teams? You cannot compare todays NFL and the NFL from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Goddell is all about players health and safety. I have heard of players on certain teams rewarding each other for a hard hit etc. But except for Buddy Ryan, I never heard of a coach promoting it and getting caught. And tell me Matt, God forbid Eli, Nicks, or Cruz was injured due to those bounties. You and some of these other posters would want blood! I guess you are ok with all of these players like Dave Duerson suffering from depression and committing suicide from all of the brain injuries suffered in their careers? If that is the case, you can petition Goddell and his committee to reinstate Payton, Williams, Vitt and Loomus ASAP. Don't forget to ask for the Saints to get their 2 picks back and have their 500K given back to them.[/quote]

define take out and define what a bounty shot is.

Im sorry, but every goal of every defense should be to take the QB out - legally. Now if the Saints were looking to play illegally thats different. But again, accidents do happen as well. You should be looking to PUNISH people on defense.

Speaking of Cruz vs the Saints, i dunno if u remember Nicks got LIT UP. LIT THE **** UP. It was a clean play, that dude got paid on it, and im fine with it. If you start late hitting (actual late hitting, not this Harrison hits McCoy type of late hit) or going low thats a different ball game as i've said.

TO say if anybody legally knocks Rodgers out of the game gets 5k, i'm fine with it. Know why? BECUASE THATS WHAT YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE WITHOUT THE MONEY AS WELL.

I didn't hear Giant fans have a problem with this last year when we were knocking out 7 QBs for the year. There is an unbalanced opinion about this.

[/quote]

It all completely hinges on whether the coaching staff was giving the players the ok on trying to injure opposing players using illegal tactics or not...if the answer is no, they had to be legal hits to collect the bounty then I think the penalties are way to severe.
[/quote]

yes i agree... and lets not forget... these charge were probably doubled because of one reason: They lied and lied about it after being questioned trying to cover it up.


and pappy - theres nothing you can do about hitting QBs legally. They are trying to change it, but it can only change so much. Mario Williams just got a 100 million dollar contract because he hits the quarterback...

we base our WHOLE defense around hitting the quarterback - it will not change
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They keep changing what is and isn't "legal".</P>


Deal with it poeple. The league wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want a violent, exciting sport, but they don't want to get sued anymore by former players. they want the perception that they want to take the 'agression" out of the game.</P>


BTW...What the hell good is a cake if you can't eat it too?</P>

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]

They keep changing what is and isn't "legal".</p>


Deal with it poeple. The league wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want a violent, exciting sport, but they don't want to get sued anymore by former players. they want the perception that they want to take the 'agression" out of the game.</p>


BTW...What the hell good is a cake if you can't eat it too?</p>[/quote]

I'm fine with them having the "perception" that they are trying to take the aggression out of the game out there....the problem is they are actually doing it.

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]and pappy - theres nothing you can do about hitting QBs legally. They are trying to change it, but it can only change so much. Mario Williams just got a 100 million dollar contract because he hits the quarterback...

we base our WHOLE defense around hitting the quarterback - it will not change
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it's already changing, hitting low used to be legal...it's not now because of brady, late hits....that was barely a thing back in the days...now it's called every time it happens to a QB...even sometimes when it's clearly not late.

look at Kiwanuka on Vince Young, he literally let him go because he didn't want a penalty...the NEVER would have happened before.

It's already changing matt...and it sucks.
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the point is that theres no way it can get more extreme than it is right now and Mario Williams STILL just got a 100 million dollar contract

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

the point is that theres no way it can get more extreme than it is right now and Mario Williams STILL just got a 100 million dollar contract
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It can and will until Goodell leaves....

you still want to pressure the QB regardless but hitting him is becoming a bigger and bigger risk...everything needs to be a strip and then just hold onto their waist and drag em down thing now...powerful hits are being called more and more even when they are completely legal...soon those will be illegal too.

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