THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

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[quote user="Morehead State"]

Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice to be born black or white in this country, which would you choose?</p>


</p>[/quote]Im a PROUD Irish-American

[lttaylor56]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="lttaylor56"]I really don't consider myself racist. I do have a problem with working my *** off...when other's get a free ride.[/quote]Now these 'others' are they all one color, or are they just free loaders of all kinds???
[/quote]lol--All colors.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"]


Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice to be born black or white in this country, which would you choose?</P>


</P>


[/quote]Im a PROUD Irish-American


[/quote]</P>


I'm just Caz.</P>

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[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]OK, I see you're gonna pick it up where we left off.

Never did I suggest that 100% of the people that are attending these rallies and supporting the arrest were doing it for a just cause, I was saying that a majority are and you deny that claim. To you it seems like they are all hipsters looking for the next 'cool thing' but in actuallity the majority are angry at the whole situation and doing it because its the 'right thing' not the 'cool thing'
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Ok, let's put your theory to the test then shall we? I'm going to remember this, and lets say a month, one month from now I'm gonna start making Hoodie+Skittles+Trayvon comments around TAGF and in THEE Thread, I can almost guarantee no one is going to know what I'm talking about, people care in the moment....but we forget...most are not "really" angry, they are spurred by the media to be angry in the moment but once the media drops this and picks something else up those same people will be "genuinely angry" at the next tragedy, I'm sorry Kase but that's how most people are, they do what they are told by the media....our society is a bunch of sheep...everyone will forget....it's sad but it's also true.
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Sounds like a good idea Daven

So why do you put genuinely angry in quotations, are you saying that nobody can or is allowed to be genuinely angry anymore, because you think they'll just be pretending to join the fad or theyre trying to be 'cool'

Better that people think its 'cool' and bring attention to the issue rather than ignoring it completely, yes it may be disingenuous but at least its bringing attention to the light

To you its a majority, in reality its a minority
[/quote]Is it cool in the younger generations to be "angry" these days? I do know a few people that due to drugs are Angry people now, I pray for them, but it's pretty much an every day, all the time thing. They're just angry. I do agree that certain races are more disposed to be involved in criminal activity. Another important statistic is how many of the perps that do illegal things are addicts or under the influence of alcohol and drugs.[/quote]</p>


I disagree about certain races being more disposed to crime. It has a lot to do with a million factors but race aint one of them.</p>


[/quote]I realize its 2001 data, I would be interested to see 2012. Graph is for: As of 2001, the chances of going to prison in percentages for various demographic groups [/quote]</p>


Well you are not taking into consideration all the socio-economic reasons that African Americans are far more likely to grow up in poverty, far more likely to come from poor homes. Then combine that will the social pressures depicted in the modern media, the poor "leaders" who are more apologists than anything else, and then add the horrific racial inequality in the judicial system.</p>


Then add about 1000 other factors that lead to the statistics you are citing. The level of pigment in their skin, or their geneological heritage have NOTHING to do with it.</p>


[/quote]Poorer people, no matter the color are more likely to commit crimes. If you dont have money, you need money, and nobody can help you out, sometimes you gotta go out and take what you need.... Its terrible but it happens all the time

In some places of the USA and the world for that matter, color of skin is a large factor, you cant deny that
[/quote]</p>


Isn't that racist?</p>


[/quote]Which part??

I dont agree with people judging others by skin and having pre-disposed notions about people different than them, but in certain areas of the country there are still backwards people that do base things on race. Personally I base people on character, everyone starts out with a clean slate when I 1st meet you
[/quote]</p>


I basemy opinion of peopleon shoe size.</p>[/quote]So you love me because of my size 13s!?!?!? I KNEW there was some underlying conservative agenda!!!!

LMAO

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i completely understand the hate for the media, i have it too

but bottom line, you have an unarmed teen shot to death for just walking through a town.

its justified. Just because the media blows most of the time, doesn't mean that its propaganda machine 100% of the time.[/quote]

so it's justified to have bounties on this guy before he's even been convicted, it's justified for the media to stir up hatred for this person before he's even had his trial? it's justified for innocent people who have nothing to do with Zimmerman to fear for their lives as crazy bang on their doors and demand that they produce him? no I don't think that's true Matt, I think this is all unjustified, I think the man deserves a fair trail...and if (only if!) he is convicted of the crime, then sure, hate him all you want...but until he's convicted I think it's dangerous to report on him as though he were.


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Your just as bad as those who buy into the propaganda machine about every little thing (ya know, those people spreading awareness about every ****ing thing that they know nothing about on facebook), because you take the complete opposite extreme and just oppose anything that comes out on it. Find a balance
[/quote]

I think I am pretty balanced Matt, I think society has gone of the deep end that's the problem....

[/quote]

did you take this side of the argument for Timothy McVeigh? For OJ?

I mean come on man... this guy shot a kid in cold blood. He had NOTHING on him and this guy isn't even suppose to have a weapon on him.

I would considered you probably the lease balanced out of everybody in here when it comes to these debates.

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]OK, I see you're gonna pick it up where we left off.

Never did I suggest that 100% of the people that are attending these rallies and supporting the arrest were doing it for a just cause, I was saying that a majority are and you deny that claim. To you it seems like they are all hipsters looking for the next 'cool thing' but in actuallity the majority are angry at the whole situation and doing it because its the 'right thing' not the 'cool thing'
[/quote]

Ok, let's put your theory to the test then shall we? I'm going to remember this, and lets say a month, one month from now I'm gonna start making Hoodie+Skittles+Trayvon comments around TAGF and in THEE Thread, I can almost guarantee no one is going to know what I'm talking about, people care in the moment....but we forget...most are not "really" angry, they are spurred by the media to be angry in the moment but once the media drops this and picks something else up those same people will be "genuinely angry" at the next tragedy, I'm sorry Kase but that's how most people are, they do what they are told by the media....our society is a bunch of sheep...everyone will forget....it's sad but it's also true.
[/quote]

Sounds like a good idea Daven

So why do you put genuinely angry in quotations, are you saying that nobody can or is allowed to be genuinely angry anymore, because you think they'll just be pretending to join the fad or theyre trying to be 'cool'

Better that people think its 'cool' and bring attention to the issue rather than ignoring it completely, yes it may be disingenuous but at least its bringing attention to the light

To you its a majority, in reality its a minority
[/quote]Is it cool in the younger generations to be "angry" these days? I do know a few people that due to drugs are Angry people now, I pray for them, but it's pretty much an every day, all the time thing. They're just angry. I do agree that certain races are more disposed to be involved in criminal activity. Another important statistic is how many of the perps that do illegal things are addicts or under the influence of alcohol and drugs.[/quote]</p>


I disagree about certain races being more disposed to crime. It has a lot to do with a million factors but race aint one of them.</p>


[/quote]I realize its 2001 data, I would be interested to see 2012. Graph is for: As of 2001, the chances of going to prison in percentages for various demographic groups [/quote]</p>


Well you are not taking into consideration all the socio-economic reasons that African Americans are far more likely to grow up in poverty, far more likely to come from poor homes. Then combine that will the social pressures depicted in the modern media, the poor "leaders" who are more apologists than anything else, and then add the horrific racial inequality in the judicial system.</p>


Then add about 1000 other factors that lead to the statistics you are citing. The level of pigment in their skin, or their geneological heritage have NOTHING to do with it.</p>


[/quote]Poorer people, no matter the color are more likely to commit crimes. If you dont have money, you need money, and nobody can help you out, sometimes you gotta go out and take what you need.... Its terrible but it happens all the time

In some places of the USA and the world for that matter, color of skin is a large factor, you cant deny that
[/quote]</p>


Isn't that racist?</p>[/quote]I really don't consider myself racist. I do have a problem with working my *** off...when other's get a free ride.[/quote]

well thats kinda racist in itself that you seem to think its only black people doing it.

MAybe around here, but there are plenty of white people like that too.

And while there are bottom feeders (always will and always have) most are people that actually aren't doing it to just abuse the system and get a free ride. Thats another political agenda of news reporting
[/quote]Depends which side of the bi-partisanship you're getting your news from and how many people you personally know that have/or are currently receiving Govt assistance

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]OK, I see you're gonna pick it up where we left off.

Never did I suggest that 100% of the people that are attending these rallies and supporting the arrest were doing it for a just cause, I was saying that a majority are and you deny that claim. To you it seems like they are all hipsters looking for the next 'cool thing' but in actuallity the majority are angry at the whole situation and doing it because its the 'right thing' not the 'cool thing'
[/quote]

Ok, let's put your theory to the test then shall we? I'm going to remember this, and lets say a month, one month from now I'm gonna start making Hoodie+Skittles+Trayvon comments around TAGF and in THEE Thread, I can almost guarantee no one is going to know what I'm talking about, people care in the moment....but we forget...most are not "really" angry, they are spurred by the media to be angry in the moment but once the media drops this and picks something else up those same people will be "genuinely angry" at the next tragedy, I'm sorry Kase but that's how most people are, they do what they are told by the media....our society is a bunch of sheep...everyone will forget....it's sad but it's also true.
[/quote]

Sounds like a good idea Daven

So why do you put genuinely angry in quotations, are you saying that nobody can or is allowed to be genuinely angry anymore, because you think they'll just be pretending to join the fad or theyre trying to be 'cool'

Better that people think its 'cool' and bring attention to the issue rather than ignoring it completely, yes it may be disingenuous but at least its bringing attention to the light

To you its a majority, in reality its a minority
[/quote]Is it cool in the younger generations to be "angry" these days? I do know a few people that due to drugs are Angry people now, I pray for them, but it's pretty much an every day, all the time thing. They're just angry. I do agree that certain races are more disposed to be involved in criminal activity. Another important statistic is how many of the perps that do illegal things are addicts or under the influence of alcohol and drugs.[/quote]</p>


I disagree about certain races being more disposed to crime. It has a lot to do with a million factors but race aint one of them.</p>


[/quote]I realize its 2001 data, I would be interested to see 2012. Graph is for: As of 2001, the chances of going to prison in percentages for various demographic groups [/quote]</p>


Well you are not taking into consideration all the socio-economic reasons that African Americans are far more likely to grow up in poverty, far more likely to come from poor homes. Then combine that will the social pressures depicted in the modern media, the poor "leaders" who are more apologists than anything else, and then add the horrific racial inequality in the judicial system.</p>


Then add about 1000 other factors that lead to the statistics you are citing. The level of pigment in their skin, or their geneological heritage have NOTHING to do with it.</p>


[/quote]Poorer people, no matter the color are more likely to commit crimes. If you dont have money, you need money, and nobody can help you out, sometimes you gotta go out and take what you need.... Its terrible but it happens all the time

In some places of the USA and the world for that matter, color of skin is a large factor, you cant deny that
[/quote]</p>


Isn't that racist?</p>


[/quote]I really don't consider myself racist. I do have a problem with working my *** off...when other's get a free ride.[/quote]</p>


Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice to be born black or white in this country, which would you choose?</p>


</p>[/quote]

if I could be born tom as black or white and live the same type of life i have?

I think that balances out for the newer generations there pappy - not as one sided as you think it is

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]i completely understand the hate for the media, i have it too

but bottom line, you have an unarmed teen shot to death for just walking through a town.

its justified. Just because the media blows most of the time, doesn't mean that its propaganda machine 100% of the time.[/quote]

so it's justified to have bounties on this guy before he's even been convicted, it's justified for the media to stir up hatred for this person before he's even had his trial? it's justified for innocent people who have nothing to do with Zimmerman to fear for their lives as crazy bang on their doors and demand that they produce him? no I don't think that's true Matt, I think this is all unjustified, I think the man deserves a fair trail...and if (only if!) he is convicted of the crime, then sure, hate him all you want...but until he's convicted I think it's dangerous to report on him as though he were.


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Your just as bad as those who buy into the propaganda machine about every little thing (ya know, those people spreading awareness about every ****ing thing that they know nothing about on facebook), because you take the complete opposite extreme and just oppose anything that comes out on it. Find a balance
[/quote]

I think I am pretty balanced Matt, I think society has gone of the deep end that's the problem....

[/quote]

did you take this side of the argument for Timothy McVeigh? For OJ?

I mean come on man... this guy shot a kid in cold blood. He had NOTHING on him and this guy isn't even suppose to have a weapon on him.

I would considered you probably the lease balanced out of everybody in here when it comes to these debates.
[/quote]I think even Morehead has been more balanced on this issue and we all know where me and him stand on political issues, LOL

IMO, Dezz and Daven have gone off the deep end on this one

[Morehead State]

[quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Morehead State"]


[quote user="lttaylor56"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Kase-1"]OK, I see you're gonna pick it up where we left off.

Never did I suggest that 100% of the people that are attending these rallies and supporting the arrest were doing it for a just cause, I was saying that a majority are and you deny that claim. To you it seems like they are all hipsters looking for the next 'cool thing' but in actuallity the majority are angry at the whole situation and doing it because its the 'right thing' not the 'cool thing'
[/quote]

Ok, let's put your theory to the test then shall we? I'm going to remember this, and lets say a month, one month from now I'm gonna start making Hoodie+Skittles+Trayvon comments around TAGF and in THEE Thread, I can almost guarantee no one is going to know what I'm talking about, people care in the moment....but we forget...most are not "really" angry, they are spurred by the media to be angry in the moment but once the media drops this and picks something else up those same people will be "genuinely angry" at the next tragedy, I'm sorry Kase but that's how most people are, they do what they are told by the media....our society is a bunch of sheep...everyone will forget....it's sad but it's also true.
[/quote]

Sounds like a good idea Daven

So why do you put genuinely angry in quotations, are you saying that nobody can or is allowed to be genuinely angry anymore, because you think they'll just be pretending to join the fad or theyre trying to be 'cool'

Better that people think its 'cool' and bring attention to the issue rather than ignoring it completely, yes it may be disingenuous but at least its bringing attention to the light

To you its a majority, in reality its a minority
[/quote]Is it cool in the younger generations to be "angry" these days? I do know a few people that due to drugs are Angry people now, I pray for them, but it's pretty much an every day, all the time thing. They're just angry. I do agree that certain races are more disposed to be involved in criminal activity. Another important statistic is how many of the perps that do illegal things are addicts or under the influence of alcohol and drugs.[/quote]</P>


I disagree about certain races being more disposed to crime. It has a lot to do with a million factors but race aint one of them.</P>


[/quote]I realize its 2001 data, I would be interested to see 2012. Graph is for: As of 2001, the chances of going to prison in percentages for various demographic groups [/quote]</P>


Well you are not taking into consideration all the socio-economic reasons that African Americans are far more likely to grow up in poverty, far more likely to come from poor homes. Then combine that will the social pressures depicted in the modern media, the poor "leaders" who are more apologists than anything else, and then add the horrific racial inequality in the judicial system.</P>


Then add about 1000 other factors that lead to the statistics you are citing. The level of pigment in their skin, or their geneological heritage have NOTHING to do with it.</P>


[/quote]Poorer people, no matter the color are more likely to commit crimes. If you dont have money, you need money, and nobody can help you out, sometimes you gotta go out and take what you need.... Its terrible but it happens all the time

In some places of the USA and the world for that matter, color of skin is a large factor, you cant deny that
[/quote]</P>


Isn't that racist?</P>


[/quote]Which part??

I dont agree with people judging others by skin and having pre-disposed notions about people different than them, but in certain areas of the country there are still backwards people that do base things on race. Personally I base people on character, everyone starts out with a clean slate when I 1st meet you
[/quote]</P>


I basemy opinion of peopleon shoe size.</P>


[/quote]So you love me because of my size 13s!?!?!? I KNEW there was some underlying conservative agenda!!!!

LMAO
[/quote]</P>


I see you in some anti-government militia by the time you turn 40. I can see you turning hard right.</P>

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]And while there are bottom feeders (always will and always have) most are people that actually aren't doing it to just abuse the system and get a free ride. Thats another political agenda of news reporting
[/quote]

"Give a man a fish and he won't starve for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he won't starve for his entire life."

the problem with our current social welfare systems is they force the poor to become dependent on them, the government gives them fish everyday for dinner....

If the government instead concentrated on teaching them how to fish (aka become productive members of society) it would in the end be more cost effective, it would work better for all involved, the reason they don't do it? the poor vote goes to democrats, it ALWAYS does, because they have convinced the poor that the republicans don't care about them and will take away their fish......but if the democrates really cared, they would be teaching the poor how to fish so that regardless of who was in power....they wouldn't have to worry about where the food was coming from...

(do you get me?)