THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[MattMeyerBud]

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]Big Ben said new offense is 90% different than old one.
[/quote] thank god ben has his two rings - his defense is depleted and his stats are going to take a huge dump glad he got his HOF stuff in while he could[/quote]</P>


You think he's HOF caliber?
To me, the first ring doesnt count. That was nothing Ben did.
One thing he does have going for him is that he made it to 3 superbowls, so that helps his cause.

I just don't consider him the best at any one thing. I used to think it was his toughness, and ability to scramble and throw on the go,*but I definitely dont feel that way anymore</P>


oh and now, *the only thing I think about when people say Ben Roethlisberger....
im like R A P I S T!!! I dont even think about him playing football....</P>[/quote]

whether you or i count it or not is irrelevent, when hes retired and they review his career they will count it

[MattMeyerBud]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]Big Ben said new offense is 90% different than old one.
[/quote] thank god ben has his two rings - his defense is depleted and his stats are going to take a huge dump glad he got his HOF stuff in while he could[/quote]</p>


You think he's HOF caliber?
To me, the first ring doesnt count. That was nothing Ben did.
One thing he does have going for him is that he made it to 3 superbowls, so that helps his cause.

I just don't consider him the best at any one thing. I used to think it was his toughness, and ability to scramble and throw on the go,*but I definitely dont feel that way anymore</p>[/quote]Ben is a very, very good qb, but not a* HOFer imo.
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it would be really hard to justify Eli as a HOF QB then

[JPizzack]

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]Big Ben said new offense is 90% different than old one.
[/quote] thank god ben has his two rings - his defense is depleted and his stats are going to take a huge dump glad he got his HOF stuff in while he could[/quote]</P>


You think he's HOF caliber?
To me, the first ring doesnt count. That was nothing Ben did.
One thing he does have going for him is that he made it to 3 superbowls, so that helps his cause.

I just don't consider him the best at any one thing. I used to think it was his toughness, and ability to scramble and throw on the go,but I definitely dont feel that way anymore</P>


oh and now, the only thing I think about when people say Ben Roethlisberger....
im like R A P I S T!!! I dont even think about him playing football....</P>


[/quote] whether you or i count it or not is irrelevent, when hes retired and they review his career they will count it[/quote]</P>


you think the voters are going to blindly say "yep 2 superbowls"? instead of saying that the Steelers won that years DESPITE Big Ben?
I give them a little bit more credit than that.

It's not like we talk about Brad Johnson winning the superbowl with Tampa.....that was all defense like the Steelers.
Idk, I'd just like to think that people see that kind of thing and actually think about it</P>

[dezzzR]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]Big Ben said new offense is 90% different than old one.
[/quote] thank god ben has his two rings - his defense is depleted and his stats are going to take a huge dump glad he got his HOF stuff in while he could[/quote]</p>


You think he's HOF caliber?
To me, the first ring doesnt count. That was nothing Ben did.
One thing he does have going for him is that he made it to 3 superbowls, so that helps his cause.

I just don't consider him the best at any one thing. I used to think it was his toughness, and ability to scramble and throw on the go,but I definitely dont feel that way anymore</p>[/quote]Ben is a very, very good qb, but not a HOFer imo.
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it would be really hard to justify Eli as a HOF QB then[/quote]Elis not done yet

Yea youre probably right about that, and like you said, even though a lot of people think his first superbowl was horrible, its irrelevant when/if hes in the running.

[JPizzack]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]it would be really hard to justify Eli as a HOF QB then[/quote]</P>


not even on the same level, matt....
Eli in 07 played some of the cleanest football ever. It wasnt flashy or anything, but he was great.
This year, he just picked defenses apart.
Eli WON both Superbowls. He has both MVPs to prove it.

Roethlisberger has 2 rings and no SB MVP lol</P>

[dezzzR]

[quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]Big Ben said new offense is 90% different than old one.
[/quote] thank god ben has his two rings - his defense is depleted and his stats are going to take a huge dump glad he got his HOF stuff in while he could[/quote]</p>


You think he's HOF caliber?
To me, the first ring doesnt count. That was nothing Ben did.
One thing he does have going for him is that he made it to 3 superbowls, so that helps his cause.

I just don't consider him the best at any one thing. I used to think it was his toughness, and ability to scramble and throw on the go,but I definitely dont feel that way anymore</p>


oh and now, the only thing I think about when people say Ben Roethlisberger....
im like R A P I S T!!! I dont even think about him playing football....</p>


[/quote] whether you or i count it or not is irrelevent, when hes retired and they review his career they will count it[/quote]</p>


you think the voters are going to blindly say "yep 2 superbowls"? instead of saying that the Steelers won that years DESPITE Big Ben?
I give them a little bit more credit than that.

It's not like we talk about Brad Johnson winning the superbowl with Tampa.....that was all defense like the Steelers.
Idk, I'd just like to think that people see that kind of thing and actually think about it</p>[/quote]Yea but he helped get the Steelers to the sb, that in itself is no small feat. I dislike Ben just as much as the next guy but you cant take away what hes done on the field.

[dezzzR]

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[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]it would be really hard to justify Eli as a HOF QB then[/quote]</p>


not even on the same level, matt....
Eli in 07 played some of the cleanest football ever. It wasnt flashy or anything, but he was great.
This year, he just picked defenses apart.
Eli WON both Superbowls. He has both MVPs to prove it.

Roethlisberger has 2 rings and no SB MVP lol</p>[/quote]But there a lot of people (even Giants fans) that think Tuck should of won the MVP in 07. ****, I know people that think Tuck should of won it this year too (cough matt). However that is a good point about the no mvps for Ben.

[JPizzack]

[quote user="dezzzR"]Elis not done yet

Yea youre probably right about that, and like you said, even though a lot of people think his first superbowl was horrible, its irrelevant when/if hes in the running.
[/quote]</P>


honestly, **** that whole train of thought....
If I were a voter, I'd remember that....I'm a sports fan....I remember things...
QBsshouldnt be measure so heavilyby superbowls in terms of them "being great", Trent Dilfer wasnt a great QB, hes not HOF caliber....</P>


I'd hope to think ppl are smarter than that...</P>

[Morehead State]

Been away so let me settle a few arguments here.</P>


1. Hixon will be almost exclusively a ST player. He might get some snaps at WR in 4 WR sets or if a guy gets hurt. (which always happens) But he is a great gunner and will probably be our return guy as well for both KO's and punts.</P>


2. Ben WAS having a better career than Eli until this past season. 2 SB wins and another SB appearance. He played one of the best games I even saw a QB play in SB 43 (Holmes getting the MVP was a joke). He carried that team on his back. The amount of plays he made on his own with no O line help was tremendous.</P>


Eli's stellar play in both the reg. season and the playoffs this season moved him on a level with Ben. (I'm talking about the entirety of their careers).</P>


If both their careers ended today they would not be HOF'rs but it looks very likely that they both will be HOF'rs if they continue on their current pace.</P>


Eli passed Rivers (actually left him in the dust) this past season. If I were to bet though I would say that all 3 will end up in the Hall.</P>


3. Tuck was the real MVP of SB 42.</P>


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Morehead has spoken.</P>


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P.S. I'm very happy to hear about LT's colon.</P>

[byron]

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[quote user="dezzzR"]Elis not done yet

Yea youre probably right about that, and like you said, even though a lot of people think his first superbowl was horrible, its irrelevant when/if hes in the running.
[/quote]</P>


honestly, **** that whole train of thought....
If I were a voter, I'd remember that....I'm a sports fan....I remember things...
QBsshouldnt be measure so heavilyby superbowls in terms of them "being great", Trent Dilfer wasnt a great QB, hes not HOF caliber....</P>


I'd hope to think ppl are smarter than that...</P>[/quote] Eli surely has a uphill battle because lets face ithe's a ****ing dork!! who was the last dork to inducted ?!? But I believe one dayhis dorkeyness will be embraced by all..couple thatwithhis great play that we all have witnessedhe one day willhumbly except the honor !