[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="dezzzR"]Big Ben said new offense is 90% different than old one.
[/quote] thank god ben has his two rings - his defense is depleted and his stats are going to take a huge dump glad he got his HOF stuff in while he could[/quote]</P>
You think he's HOF caliber?
To me, the first ring doesnt count. That was nothing Ben did.
One thing he does have going for him is that he made it to 3 superbowls, so that helps his cause.
I just don't consider him the best at any one thing. I used to think it was his toughness, and ability to scramble and throw on the go,*but I definitely dont feel that way anymore</P>
oh and now, *the only thing I think about when people say Ben Roethlisberger....
im like R A P I S T!!! I dont even think about him playing football....</P>[/quote]
whether you or i count it or not is irrelevent, when hes retired and they review his career they will count it