THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[Morehead State]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"]Yes to Flex
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What the hell?
The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.[/quote]

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
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I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.[/quote]

Matt's point - Flex = 3 RB's for everyone all the time.
My Point - Flex = more options for everyone every week.

and while I may have said something to the effect of "you know you are playing in a deep league when you play X Receiver" that is completely separate from whether flex is involved or not...they really have nothing to do with each other, you can play a deep league with flex or without.



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No my argument is that strategy should be in how you build your team and weekly matchups is a secondary strategy. When you do 2 WR flex leagues it always puts a rush on running backs. It's something that has been proven time and time again with you when we got back and look at draft results.

Personally I say we compromise, 3 WR flex league, 6 point qb td. Tht way everybody is happy[/quote]
What is a 3 WR flex league? 2 RB's, 3 WR's, PLUS a flex?

[dezzzR]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"]Yes to Flex
[/quote] What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.[/quote]

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
[/quote] I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.[/quote]</p>


correct. and considering so many more teams are going 2+ RBs nowadays, that's a bigger decision than ever in fantasy.</p>[/quote]
Here's my assessment..........<u>Good players don't like the flex. Marginal players like that crutch.</u>[/quote]baloney
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My case is made.[/quote]It has nothing to do with people being good or not. Sucks when you pay over 20 bucks to play in a league only for your starting rb to get injured week 2. And some people just prefer higher scoring games.
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that's why you handcuff when possible, the reason I like Flex is because it makes the starting lineup decision more difficult, in my opinion.

when it's 3WR mandatory then you just play your 3rd best WR every week there isn't much thought in that, but if you have a Flex you can play your 3rd WR OR your 3rd RB depending on the matchup's and such...I don't know it just seems like the decision is harder and there is more thinking involved when it comes to flex vs mandatory 3 WR's
[/quote]Exactly, Its certainly not a "crutch". Its a double edge sword, you have more depth but you still have to make the right choice.

[DavenIII]

[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]

No my argument is that strategy should be in how you build your team and weekly matchups is a secondary strategy. When you do 2 WR flex leagues it always puts a rush on running backs. [/quote]

#1) Fantasy isn't as dominated by the "One RB getting 25+ Carries a game" thing anymore, there's really only like 5 RB's in the entire league that do that anymore, so while I agree people still rush RB's in a flex, that isn't the best option anymore, if anything you can choose to buck the conventional wisdom of drafting RB's and choose WR's that shouldn't be there, but are, because others are just choosing RB's to fall in line.

#2) I think weekly match ups are the primary and drafting is secondary.


[quote user="MattMeyerBud"]It's something that has been proven time and time again with you when we got back and look at draft results.

Personally I say we compromise, 3 WR flex league, 6 point qb td. Tht way everybody is happy[/quote]

I'd make that compromise, but just because everyone does pick 3 RB's when we do flex doesn't mean picking 3 RB's is the best way to go...look at the top ten WR's vs the top ten RB's last year.....the gap isn't like it used to be, it used to be the top ten RB's scored substantially more then the to 10 WR's ...(Talking like 3-4 times as many points) now it's almost even, drafting a 20th WR for your flex is better then drafting a 30th RB....it didn't used to be the case but it is now.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="JPizzack"]

[quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"]Yes to Flex
[/quote] What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.[/quote]

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
[/quote] I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.[/quote]</p>


correct. and considering so many more teams are going 2+ RBs nowadays, that's a bigger decision than ever in fantasy.</p>[/quote]
Here's my assessment..........<u>Good players don't like the flex. Marginal players like that crutch.</u>[/quote]baloney
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My case is made.[/quote]It has nothing to do with people being good or not. Sucks when you pay over 20 bucks to play in a league only for your starting rb to get injured week 2. And some people just prefer higher scoring games.
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that's why you handcuff when possible, the reason I like Flex is because it makes the starting lineup decision more difficult, in my opinion.

when it's 3WR mandatory then you just play your 3rd best WR every week there isn't much thought in that, but if you have a Flex you can play your 3rd WR OR your 3rd RB depending on the matchup's and such...I don't know it just seems like the decision is harder and there is more thinking involved when it comes to flex vs mandatory 3 WR's
[/quote]Exactly, Its certainly not a "crutch". Its a double edge sword, you have more depth but you still have to make the right choice.
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Deciding who to start is no challenge. the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

[DavenIII]

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[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]
Deciding who to start is no challenge.[/quote]

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.

[quote user="Morehead State"] the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.[/quote]

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.

[lawl]

If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.

[Morehead State]

[quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]
Deciding who to start is no challenge.[/quote]

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.

[quote user="Morehead State"] the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.[/quote]

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
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Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.

[lawl]

If you guys are wanting to out smart and find out who knows the most and knows how to build a team, then lets do a dynasty league.

[DavenIII]

[quote user="Morehead State"]
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.[/quote]

The best "singular" thing I did last year was pick up Cam yes I agree, but the week to week decisions on whether to start say Malcom Floyd against Revis or start a lesser receiver against a team without a corner are also important...and making the right one week in and week out is just as important as picking the right players to begin with....if anything I would say more important.....picking the right players is a skill to a point....but you never know who is going to get injured or fall off you know? being able to decide when to start the lesser player because his opponent is inferior is also a skill but it can be applied every single week.