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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?[/quote]


    My point Matt.

    is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

    #18 Still Available WR
    #20 Still Available WR
    #26 Still Available RB

    I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

    and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
    [/quote].

    Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR.

    And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it[/quote]

    ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]

    we will and when u take a Michael Turner Type over a Hakeem Nicks type because you'll know the next round you'll either have a Desean Jackson Type or Peyton Hillis type, i'll be proven right, again, and you'll some how try and say im not
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="DavenIII"]
    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]</P>


    There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
    I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>[/quote]

    honestly, go look at the top 24 RBs, how many of the second half of those guys would you like to have as your RB2
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="byron"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]
    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]</p>


    There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
    <font color="#0000ff">I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</font></p>


    [/quote] This ! ff*point getter's...*of coarse this can be off set by changing the ff*point system..[:|][/quote]</p>


    yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</p>[/quote]

    Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

    it makes no sense.
    [/quote]

    thats not a realistic comment. Your talking more like SJax or Sproles or something like that there and i would def go wtih them over Jennings at that spot because I know if i absolutely had to I can take a shot at a WR2 in the 8th 9th round that I won't be able to do with RB.

    Let alone if the league is flexed and somebody high gets lucky enough to grab 3 talented RBs (which u know is everybodys goal if possible) it will further effect the draft and it turns into a RB draft instead of a strategic draft
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="DavenIII"]
    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]</P>


    There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
    I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>[/quote]

    honestly, go look at the top 24 RBs, how many of the second half of those guys would you like to have as your RB2[/quote]
    Mathamatics suggest that you don't have much of a choice.
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    Re: THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="JPizzack"][quote user="byron"][quote user="JPizzack"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]
    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]</p>


    There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
    <font color="#0000ff">I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</font></p>


    [/quote] This ! ff*point getter's...*of coarse this can be off set by changing the ff*point system..[:|][/quote]</p>


    yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</p>[/quote]

    Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

    it makes no sense.
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    Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.[/quote]

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    [quote user="Morehead State"]I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.[/quote]</P>


    how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ffplayers...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[]</FONT></P>

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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.[/quote]

    this used to be the case, that's why RB's where always first picks, they were always going to get the 25ish touches every game and be somewhat consistent, but it's just not the case outside the top 6 or 7 RB's anymore (and you can say the same thing about the top 6-7 WR's now because of all the passing)
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    its def the case. RBs are more consistant and WRs typically blow up and disappear
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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.[/quote]

    this used to be the case, that's why RB's where always first picks, they were always going to get the 25ish touches every game and be somewhat consistent, but it's just not the case outside the top 6 or 7 RB's anymore (and you can say the same thing about the top 6-7 WR's now because of all the passing)
    [/quote]
    Foster, McCoy, Ray Rice, MJD, Gore, Stephen Jackson, Helu, Greene, Forte, Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Turner, Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson and more....will all get 20 to 25 touches minimum in every game.[/quote]

    i disagree with a couple of names on that list but i agree with ur point
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    [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="JPizzack"]

    [quote user="DavenIII"]
    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]</P>


    There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
    I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>[/quote]

    honestly, go look at the top 24 RBs, how many of the second half of those guys would you like to have as your RB2[/quote]
    Mathamatics suggest that you don't have much of a choice.[/quote]

    exactly

    now add in the fact of somebody grasping 3 of the top 18 backs, what does the draft then become?
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    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?[/quote]


    My point Matt.

    is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

    #18 Still Available WR
    #20 Still Available WR
    #26 Still Available RB

    I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

    and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
    [/quote].

    Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR.

    And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it[/quote]

    ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

    also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
    [/quote]

    we will and when u take a Michael Turner Type over a Hakeem Nicks type because you'll know the next round you'll either have a Desean Jackson Type or Peyton Hillis type, i'll be proven right, again, and you'll some how try and say im not[/quote]
    History has proven that it's irrelevant who Daven picks, he will trade away his whole team anyway. lol

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