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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby74 View Post
    The only player that came back was Osi, if i recall correctly. It was debatable if Tuck got healthier,etc. But if a couple players will make the difference between a terrible defense and a great one, you're not doing your job as a d-coordinator.
    Eh, one player can make a difference though. They lost 3 games by a total of 7 points. A better paying Webster or a better playing DE and they are in the playoffs.

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    2012 Giants In Review: Perry Fewell

    http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/1/10...ve-coordinator

    Excerpt: "The New York Giants were historically bad on defense during the 2012 NFL season. The Giants Giants surrendered more yards and more yards per game than any defense in the history of the franchise, and finished second-to-last in the league overall for the first time since 1966.

    Even the 2009 defense with the vilified and quickly run out of town Bill Sheridan at the controls wasn't this bad, at least in terms of yardage allowed. That group surrendered 324.9 yards per game (13th in the league). It is less the numbers of yards and more the fact that Sheridan's group was 13th, while this year's team was 31st in yardage allowed.
    The deeper you look at the numbers the uglier the picture gets. Here are some numbers that confirm the stark, ugly truth. The Giants' defense was atrocious in 2012.

    From Team Rankings:

    Yards Allowed Per Game -- 383.4 (31st)
    Opponent Yards Per Play -- 6.0 (30th)
    Opponent Third Down Conversion Percentage -- 42.42 percent (30th)
    Opponent Yards Per Rush Attempt -- 4.6 (27th)
    Opponent Completion Percentage -- 63.86 percent (26th)
    Opponent Passing Yards Per Game -- 254.2 (26th)
    Opponent Avg. Team Passer Rating -- 88.2 (20th)
    Opponent Yards per Pass Attempt -- 7.6 (31st)
    Sack Percentage -- 5.82 percent (22nd)
    Takeaways Per Game -- 2.2 (3rd)


    How much blame does defensive coordinator Perry Fewell get for this mess? From this vantage point, probably a considerable amount.


    Let's keep in mind that this season's performance really was not an aberration. The Giants' defense really wasn't very good in 2011, either. Yes, they had the six-game stretch at the end of the season where schemes were simplified and they performed at a championship level, and ultimately won a Super Bowl. Yes, they had 48 sacks in 2011 to 33 for this season. The 2011 group still finished 22nd in the NFL in total defense and surrendered 22.8 points per game, more points per game than it did this season.
    There are three fundamental issues, and all have been present for most of the past two seasons.
    1. Inconsistent pass rush
    2. Inability to stop the run
    3. Surrendering too many long passing plays
    Let's examine all three areas, and where Fewell may or may not be culpable." Read more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy333 View Post
    Eh, one player can make a difference though. They lost 3 games by a total of 7 points. A better paying Webster or a better playing DE and they are in the playoffs.
    Not that big a difference. We're talking about night and day here. Fewell calls defense like it's a mechanical part. If it's missing a piece, it all falls a part. That is terrible. When half the Cowboys defense went down with injury, did they fall to the bottom of the defense list? Nope. When 3/4 of the Steeler linebackers and Polamalu were hurt, did they fall to the bottom of the list? Nope. You don't just fall from top 10 to last because of 1 or 2 people. You adjust accordingly. It's acceptable to become average or a below average defese, but not terrible. We were terrible. Last year included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby74 View Post
    Not that big a difference. We're talking about night and day here. Fewell calls defense like it's a mechanical part. If it's missing a piece, it all falls a part. That is terrible. When half the Cowboys defense went down with injury, did they fall to the bottom of the defense list? Nope. When 3/4 of the Steeler linebackers and Polamalu were hurt, did they fall to the bottom of the list? Nope. You don't just fall from top 10 to last because of 1 or 2 people. You adjust accordingly. It's acceptable to become average or a below average defese, but not terrible. We were terrible. Last year included.
    Dallas is a bad example though. They allowed like 4 more points a game and 30 yards less a game which is how they rank defense. So, yes, even they struggled with injuries. The Steelers are a good defensive team. Ranked #1 by yards, but only slightly better than the Giants defense in points allowed. Not defending them, they need work, but injuries could have cost them one game. Bad play by some veterans this year could have cost them another. Just saying as bad as the ranking says they where they are not that far off. Wonder what those stats where like before their last two losses where the entire team forgot how to play. They where 8th in points allowed at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby74 View Post
    The only player that came back was Osi, if i recall correctly. It was debatable if Tuck got healthier,etc. But if a couple players will make the difference between a terrible defense and a great one, you're not doing your job as a d-coordinator.
    Boley and Prince plus a healthier Tuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy333 View Post
    Dallas is a bad example though. They allowed like 4 more points a game and 30 yards less a game which is how they rank defense. So, yes, even they struggled with injuries. The Steelers are a good defensive team. Ranked #1 by yards, but only slightly better than the Giants defense in points allowed. Not defending them, they need work, but injuries could have cost them one game. Bad play by some veterans this year could have cost them another. Just saying as bad as the ranking says they where they are not that far off. Wonder what those stats where like before their last two losses where the entire team forgot how to play. They where 8th in points allowed at that time.
    Yeah but struggle like we did? there is a huge difference between a slight drop off and falling off a cliff like we did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morehead State View Post
    Boley and Prince plus a healthier Tuck.
    Yeah those 4 coming back doesn't warrant all of a sudden becoming a top 10 defense imo - essentially us jumping 20 spots in the defensive rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby74 View Post
    Yeah those 4 coming back doesn't warrant all of a sudden becoming a top 10 defense imo - essentially us jumping 20 spots in the defensive rankings.
    Blackburn, Tuck, Osi, Boley, Prince all contributed greatly last year during the playoff run. Getting essentially half of your starters back and healthy on defense is going to make a big difference in their performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moosedrool View Post
    The Giants were ranked 12th in the league in points allowed at 21.5, a much more important stat. Still want Fewell fired?
    Yes and take Killdrive with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby74 View Post
    Yeah but struggle like we did? there is a huge difference between a slight drop off and falling off a cliff like we did.
    True, but did anyone see the season Webster had coming? The last time we saw Tuck and Osi they where pressuring the QB almost every play it seemed. Just give this defense one pass rusher and a solid CB opposite Prince and they are a better defense.

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