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Thread: Eli goes from $9.6M in 2012 to $20.85M in 2013 against cap

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHailEli View Post
    Then maybe the Giants can get as lucky as the Colts once he's gone, become bad and get a high pick. If not and they stay in the middle of the pack, then that would be a problem. An 8-8 or 9-7 record even if you get to the playoffs will not get you deep if you don't have a legit QB. Now we are full circle.
    Or we could get a really good defense and sign the next Trent Dilfer
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad View Post
    Or we could get a really good defense and sign the next Trent Dilfer
    Yeah, you will have to win 12 games though with that defense, so you really have to be an extremely good defense. That's the number of wins that Ravens team had. If you win 9-7 without a legit QB, then you are not that good of a defense to overcome the next Trent Dilfer.

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    And THIS is a perfect example of why I HATE restructuring/back loading contracts like this. You're going to pay the piper eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    But you still have to pay him a salary for those extended years. Eli is not going to agree to spreading his existing negotiated contract over more years for the same original contract amount. Suppose he's hit his prime and starts to decline?
    This is actually not true. Base salary is mostly meaningless to a player. Eli could get cut tomorrow and get nothing.

    A new contract would convert his base salary into a signing bonus which is guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC7301 View Post
    And THIS is a perfect example of why I HATE restructuring/back loading contracts like this. You're going to pay the piper eventually.
    Yeah, but it was mostly money he was going to get anyway. The cap hit seems so meteoric because instead of being $16m or $17m in 2012 it was only just a hair under $10m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    This is actually not true. Base salary is mostly meaningless to a player. Eli could get cut tomorrow and get nothing.

    A new contract would convert his base salary into a signing bonus which is guaranteed.
    The chances of them releasing Eli or extending him for two or three years and not giving him one more dime seem pretty remote to me. I also think Reese would be cutting his professional throat to guarantee that kind of money for any player. He will figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnalyst View Post
    Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap Hit
    2009 7,500,000 3,100,000 3,100,000 13,700,000
    2010 6,500,000 2,600,000 3,000,000 12,100,000
    2011 8,500,000 2,600,000 3,000,000 14,100,000
    2012 1,750,000 2,600,000 5,250,000 9,600,000
    2013 13,000,000 2,600,000 5,250,000 20,850,000
    2014 15,150,000 - 5,250,000 20,400,000
    2015 17,000,000 - 2,750,000 19,750,000
    2016 UFA

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/eli-manning/

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    Major adjustments are needed if this team plans on doing anything in the next couple of seasons.
    Thats meaningless as the Giants will almost certainly ask him to restructure it to give them more cap space..... as they've done every season since he signed the deal.. Much ado about nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    The chances of them releasing Eli or extending him for two or three years and not giving him one more dime seem pretty remote to me. I also think Reese would be cutting his professional throat to guarantee that kind of money for any player. He will figure it out.
    But it would be adding actual money. Those are Eli's cap hit. His actual salary is far less because he took a lot of it up front and in restructures.

    An extension would solve all those problems. Lower cap hit, add actual money for Eli, and keep him on the giants longer.

    That's really the only option they have. Even if Eli said he would take less money that wouldn't lower the cap hit

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblue58 View Post
    Thats meaningless as the Giants will almost certainly ask him to restructure it to give them more cap space..... as they've done every season since he signed the deal.. Much ado about nothing.
    Eli only restructured once on 2012 I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    But it would be adding actual money. Those are Eli's cap hit. His actual salary is far less because he took a lot of it up front and in restructures. An extension would solve all those problems. Lower cap hit, add actual money for Eli, and keep him on the giants longer. That's really the only option they have. Even if Eli said he would take less money that wouldn't lower the cap hit

    I don't see how he'd agree to work two more years for the same amount of money but that's what I get for riding the short school bus all those years.


    Some other team would gladly take on his contract and Peyton is proof you change teams and thrive.
    Last edited by RoanokeFan; 01-12-2013 at 10:19 AM.
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