I'm still just not convinced with ogletree. He has upside. But he is not a middle backer in the nfl right now. He's light, he plays light, he can't shed.
It's completely a potential project pick with ogletree.
Hence why Ogletree has missed 4games and flew up draft boards and into almost guranteed 1st rd status and ahead of Arthur Brown in the blink of a e eye, and hes only a jr! Trust me, it isn't all potential, or were talking 3rd rd at best, see Jelani Jenkins, this kids earned his grade, and yes, when u put in the fact hes doing what hes doing while playing a new positon and producing like he has all ready with that immense upside, its a no brainer... Ogletree is a better prospect then Arthur Brown...
Again you go right to the stats like they prove anything.
Watch him play. Watch how rarely any OL get to him.
You keep anyone completely free most of the game up near the line and he will have huge numbers
Ogletree will have to move to weakside and be well protected at least for awhile. If he can learn to play more physically, actually use his hands once in awhile, and gain weight, then he can be a mike.
But he runs around like a zombie and he's fortunate to never have to fight through blockers.
*I'm still looking at Greene.. I'm not as familiar with him as I am some of these others... so he may move up as I watch his film. I'm VERY familiar with Ogletree, Minter and Brown. Been watching these guys since they first stepped onto a college field. I'll say this, with Brown sometimes you have to look for him in a game. With Ogletree, you don't have to look... he jumps out. With Minter, I wasn't really impressed with him until this year but he had a great year and turned out being a much better prospect than I thought he would. My guess is that he's going to measure out a lot slower than Ogletree than Brown.
Last edited by BlueSabbath; 01-17-2013 at 02:32 PM.
Urlacher is a much better LB than Briggs (over the course of their careers) and is much more integral to the Bears defense.The will absolutely is more critical to have a great player.
The bucs, bears, vikings, colts, etc. When they were running the Tampa 2 all had tremendous Will backers.
Lance Briggs, Derrick brooks, chad Greenway, Cato June, etc. all are better than the middle backers on their teams apart from Briggs, though you could argue he is as good as Urlacher.
Chad Greenway is a SAM and I'm not sure you can make the case that he's better than E.J. Henderson was for that team at this point. E.J. Henderson certainly meant more to the Vikings than Greenway did.
Cato June currently plays SAM as well (transitioned two years ago when he went to Tampa).
And having a good WILL (or better WILL than MIKE) is not an indication of priority, but rather how your personnel choices worked out.
I meant compared to Ogletree. All things being equal, who would you rather have at WILL ... the 6'3 guy or the 6'1 guy?
As for being too short, Lets see
Briggs - 6'1
Greenway - 6'2
Brooks - 6'0
June - 6'0
Arthur Brown is 6'1. So his size is not an issue in the least
Not sure he could play SAM. As you've pointed out, he's not strong enough at the point of attack. And nowhere do I see him listed larger than 225 lb (was 220 when drafted, and 215 throughout most of his college career).As for J Will. He is a weak side backer as well. But now that he is up to 230+ he could play some Sam. He already spends a lot of his time on the field matched up against TEs
And while I like Arthur Brown on tape, odds are that he's not the next Derrick Brooks.
Keep in mind that I like both Brown and Ogletree. I just think Ogletree translates better than Brown and fills a potential need more. Having said that, I thought Vontaze Burfict was going to be garbage and look how he's turning out. So I readily admit to being awful at judging college talent in translation.
Last edited by Kruunch; 01-17-2013 at 01:12 PM.
A guy to keep an eye on a little later in the draft is Nico Johnson. 5* out of high school and had a solid but quiet career at Alabama (freshman All SEC). His biggest problems were the amount of talent surrounding him. I'm not convinced a guy like Minter would be that much better than Johnson and you could get him later. At Alabama he was more of a run stopping linebacker, while Mosley was more of a passing down LB but he still moves REALLY well for his size and rarely gets knocked back. Another guy I'd be REALLY happy to land.