Not really, they are comparable at the minimum. 7x probowl is pretty damn good.Urlacher is a much better LB than Briggs (over the course of their careers) and is much more integral to the Bears defense.
They were all Weakside backers. Some teams flip the names, and a lot of teams their OLBs play both sides.Chad Greenway is a SAM and I'm not sure you can make the case that he's better than E.J. Henderson was for that team at this point. E.J. Henderson certainly meant more to the Vikings than Greenway did.
Cato June currently plays SAM as well (transitioned two years ago when he went to Tampa).
And having a good WILL (or better WILL than MIKE) is not an indication of priority, but rather how your personnel choices worked out.
Everything isnt equal. They are very different players. Brown is far more physical. And at weakside I dont care much if a guy is 6'1 or 6'3.I meant compared to Ogletree. All things being equal, who would you rather have at WILL ... the 6'3 guy or the 6'1 guy?
https://twitter.com/RVacchianoNYDN/s...52899025821696Not sure he could play SAM. As you've pointed out, he's not strong enough at the point of attack. And nowhere do I see him listed larger than 225 lb (was 220 when drafted, and 215 throughout most of his college career).
Never said he would be. I was comparing physical size. There are a LOT of really good linebackers in the NFL who in the 6'1 235 range. Bowman- 6'0 and 240. Willis 6'1 240. Even Ray Lewis is 6'1 240. And if we are going to have an argument about Brown gaining like 5 pounds, thats not exactly significant.And while I like Arthur Brown on tape, odds are that he's not the next Derrick Brooks.
I think Ogletree is a projection. He is not physical enough or good enough with his hands to be a middle linebacker right now. Is that a skill he will acquire quickly with coaching? Im not so sure it is. Im not sure its a skill he could ever acquire at all.Keep in mind that I like both Brown and Ogletree. I just think Ogletree translates better than Brown and fills a potential need more.
Brown is much more of a finished product. He still obviously has tons to learn, but he could step in week 1 and be an effective player.
Last edited by slipknottin; 01-17-2013 at 09:13 PM.
What round is Brown being projected at now?
Ur right everything isn't equal, Ogletree makes more plays, is more athletic, is inovled in more plays and will be more of a diffrence maker, which is what u want from ur early rd players. Not to mention, Ogletrees potential is through the roof, and hes all ready really good.. If its even close, the fact that Ogletree has seamlessly moved to LB and has little expierence there and is all ready very good, with high potential, is the deal breaker..
U gotta be the only one slip who would debate Ogletree and Brown.. Ogletree is all ready a 1st rd talent as a jr, and would probably only have his stock grow if he went back to school, adn Brown is a 2nd rd, possibly early 3rd rd prospect as a SR...
Ogletree is a shoe in for the hall of fame, clearly, by your comments. He does everything incredibly well, shedding blocks and using his hands is totally unimportant, and by the time of the combine he will be better than Ray Lewis.
Dont be surprised if Ogletree doesnt go in the first. It wouldnt surprise me.