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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Ok, now that Im out of work I can put more into this.Theres more to it than just running zone. Zone is a whole bunch of different coverages. Anyway, Perry, at least from what I could tell, has always been a tampa 2 guy. Giants ran a good amount of it, but it was not their base defense. Their base defense seemed to be cover 3. Why they ran more C3 than Tampa 2 is a couple reasons. 1. Lack of a pass rush2. Lack of linebackers who can cover. 3. Lack of trusting their safeties (Rolle) deep.4. Inability to stop the run with the front 7.C3 allowed them quite a few things.1. Took away the deep play for the most part2. Adds an extra defender to the box for run support3. Adds an extra underneath defender (in the middle of the field anyway, C2 technically has more defenders underneath, but the corners are on the outside not in the middle of the field)4. Allowed them to play Rolle down in the box where he was less of a liability in coverage and he could help against the runWhy you didnt see much press.You can not press in C3. Corners have to remain deeper than the WRs. You dont have to play man to get press. Tampa 2 is notorious for having CBs that absolutely maul receivers at the line. What the giants need to play more tampa 2.1. Better pass rush. Tampa 2 the front four HAVE to generate pressure on their own.2. Corners who can tackle and get off blocks. The corners are the contain players on a run in a C2. Prince improved on this quite a bit during the season, but both Webster and Prince are inconsistent there.3. Safeties who are disciplined. Rolle is a problem here, he free lances quite a bit, and does not take good angles. Stevie did alright for the most part, but has a lot he can improve upon as well. 4. Linebackers who can anticipate routes, and tackle.
    So we are NOT a cover 3 team then but we had to be because of the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    or when DC start utilizing reverse c2 concepts where corners and safeties are changing responsibilities (by design) after the snap mid play...when it works, u get turnovers. when it doesnt, u get TDs like the one we gave up vs Buffalo in 2011 that was analyzed here by some of our more x and o savvy posters
    Yes, this is why I'm very reluctant to place the blame on player X or Y in a given situation because we do not know what defense has been called/changed. There are plenty of pre snap reads the defense makes and adjust accordingly. Similar to how our WRs will make sight adjustments in the passing game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakeandBake View Post
    Yes, this is why I'm very reluctant to place the blame on player X or Y in a given situation because we do not know what defense has been called/changed. There are plenty of pre snap reads the defense makes and adjust accordingly. Similar to how our WRs will make sight adjustments in the passing game.
    So turnovers come mostly from the read and react defense? Meaning the defender reads the quarterback, but is at risk for allowing a huge gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    It shouldnt be all that surprising that a lot of the top defenses play zone. 49ers play C4 almost all game. Bears and that ridiculous takeaway stat they have going play predominately C2.

    Steelers play a ton of C3.

    The seahawks are one of the few teams with a top defense that run mostly man coverage. And that is by necessity because of how they setup their front 7. I can link to an article on that if anyone wants to read.
    It's no surprise at all, however you might think so considering the amount of people screaming for more man coverage/blitz packages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudyy View Post
    So we are NOT a cover 3 team then but we had to be because of the players.
    Essentially. And C3 can work very effectively, but the giants had problems with that too. Specifically the lack of good underneath coverage.

    All those slants and quick inside routes teams beat the giants with all season, a lot of those were against C3 which should not have been allowed. C3 should absolutely take away slants. It should force underneath outside breaking routes or outside comeback routes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudyy View Post
    So turnovers come mostly from the read and react defense? Meaning the defender reads the quarterback, but is at risk for allowing a huge gain.
    Depends on the zone and the man coverage you are comparing.

    C3 and C4 are some of the best defenses you can play to prevent big plays, both are zone. Cover 0 on the other hand is exclusively man coverage, but one that very easily could result in a huge gain by the offense.


    And I really hate the "read and react" label as some supposed negative.
    The best defenders in man coverage (revis, sherman, etc) do that too. Read the WR, read the formation, break on the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudyy View Post
    So turnovers come mostly from the read and react defense? Meaning the defender reads the quarterback, but is at risk for allowing a huge gain.
    Our defense is designed to make turnovers, however we rely primarily on rushing 4 so if the d-line is horrible as they were last year, the defense doesn't work so well because even the greatest defensive backs can not cover all day long. The defensive backs read the QB in a cover scheme and are responsible for a certain area, they are more aware of where the ball is going because they can see the QB.

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    I love to see us run cover 1 if KP could stay healthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShakeandBake View Post
    I love to see us run cover 1 if KP could stay healthy
    They run a lot of C1 when KP is out there. Very little C1 when KP isnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    They run a lot of C1 when KP is out there. Very little C1 when KP isnt.
    Yeah exactly, they never do

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