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    Senior Bowl Week

    The Senior Bowl practice week is arguably the most important week of the offseason for a lot of these players. Fans love the combine, but scouts like the senior bowl week.

    So, Because we have a lot of conversation about it going on spread throughout the various draft threads right now, I decided to give the Senior Bowl it's very own thread.

    Ill start of with the 1st impressions I had:

    Jordan Poyer came in at 6'0 tall which is taller than expect. His skillset has never been in doubt and this measurement will vault his stock up because now scouts will have to look at him in a new way, as something other than just a slot guy.

    DJ Fluker came in at 355lbs and reportedly didnt look sloppy at that wieght. I still think the wear and tear on his body at that wieght could be a problem, and I want to see how he does in drills this week as foot quickness might be a problem. But he passed the eye test at that weight, according to scouts.

    There are 2 small school guys that have everyone talking right now:

    Jonathan Cyprien, DB Florida international reportedly had the best practice of any DB on monday.

    Vance McDonald, TE rice. Scouts have seen enough already of his catching and running. If it turns out he can block too, this kid's stock will fly up.

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    Thanks for the info!
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    Rumour has it that Tony Jefferson's stock is getting tore up right now, as some of his old coaches said hes got a terrible work ethic and dosent get in the weight room nearly enough..

    This is off Waltfootball.com

    Another safety prospect that is trending in the opposite direction is Oklahoma safety Tony Jefferson. Scouts are saying that Jefferson has been getting trashed by some of his former coaches for horrible practice habits and a lack of work ethic in the weight room. Jefferson has a lot of physical talent, but it is really going to hurt his draft stock to have former coaches telling NFL teams to pass on him. A couple sources said they wouldn't be surprised if Jefferson has a free fall in the draft from a second-day pick to the third day. It will be really important for Jefferson to test well and interview well at the Combine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Rumour has it that Tony Jefferson's stock is getting tore up right now, as some of his old coaches said hes got a terrible work ethic and dosent get in the weight room nearly enough..

    This is off Waltfootball.com

    Another safety prospect that is trending in the opposite direction is Oklahoma safety Tony Jefferson. Scouts are saying that Jefferson has been getting trashed by some of his former coaches for horrible practice habits and a lack of work ethic in the weight room. Jefferson has a lot of physical talent, but it is really going to hurt his draft stock to have former coaches telling NFL teams to pass on him. A couple sources said they wouldn't be surprised if Jefferson has a free fall in the draft from a second-day pick to the third day. It will be really important for Jefferson to test well and interview well at the Combine.
    Yea I saw that. That is really bad. Coaches usually do the exact opposite for their guys. This will raise flags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSanta View Post
    Yea I saw that. That is really bad. Coaches usually do the exact opposite for their guys. This will raise flags.
    Ya, i've never been as high on em as u were, but still, i didn't dislike em enough to be bummed if we drafted em.. Now i certainly would be.. I hope we stay far far away.. Jefferson was never super high on my S rankings anyhow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Ya, i've never been as high on em as u were, but still, i didn't dislike em enough to be bummed if we drafted em.. Now i certainly would be.. I hope we stay far far away.. Jefferson was never super high on my S rankings anyhow..
    Well, his play on the field has been pretty good. But when coaches talk ill of a player like that, especially when they are still coaching at that school that has a vested interest in churning out more high picks(for recruiting purposes) then it is an absolute red flag.

    Its no trade secret of mine, but 1 of the things I pay the most attention to is what the coaches and teamates have to say, and often what they leave out about former players.

    It has paid dividends doing this over the years.

    I remember being flamed on these boards for reporting a comment I read about Jimmy Clausen being disliked by his college teammates.

    I also remember a few comments by the strength and conditioning coach at Memphis last year about Dontari Poe that I brought to this board. This was way before most people had any idea who this kid even was.

    When it comes to character of a kid, which obviously the Giants do care about, the comments and support of the people around the kid means a lot to me. People don't support kids they dislike so if a school or a team has negative things to say about a kid, that is not just a red flag, but a HUGE red flag. Those coaches at Oklahoma actually have a vested interest in Jefferson going sooner rather than later in the draft. It is a huge recruiting tool to say "we had x" number of guys taken in the draft this year and "y" number taken in the 1st 3 rounds. Come to our school and that could be you!. That is just 1 example.

    So, for a coach to say something to actually hurt a kid's stock is rare and has to be taken seriously. So if I like a kid or liked a kid it is only based on what I know, and there is no way I can know the practice/ workout habbits of a kid. Im not in their practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSanta View Post
    Well, his play on the field has been pretty good. But when coaches talk ill of a player like that, especially when they are still coaching at that school that has a vested interest in churning out more high picks(for recruiting purposes) then it is an absolute red flag.

    Its no trade secret of mine, but 1 of the things I pay the most attention to is what the coaches and teamates have to say, and often what they leave out about former players.

    It has paid dividends doing this over the years.

    I remember being flamed on these boards for reporting a comment I read about Jimmy Clausen being disliked by his college teammates.

    I also remember a few comments by the strength and conditioning coach at Memphis last year about Dontari Poe that I brought to this board. This was way before most people had any idea who this kid even was.

    When it comes to character of a kid, which obviously the Giants do care about, the comments and support of the people around the kid means a lot to me. People don't support kids they dislike so if a school or a team has negative things to say about a kid, that is not just a red flag, but a HUGE red flag. Those coaches at Oklahoma actually have a vested interest in Jefferson going sooner rather than later in the draft. It is a huge recruiting tool to say "we had x" number of guys taken in the draft this year and "y" number taken in the 1st 3 rounds. Come to our school and that could be you!. That is just 1 example.

    So, for a coach to say something to actually hurt a kid's stock is rare and has to be taken seriously. So if I like a kid or liked a kid it is only based on what I know, and there is no way I can know the practice/ workout habbits of a kid. Im not in their practice.
    I think the biggest red flag for me from Dontari Poe was he did absoulutley nothing in college..lol I did like Claussen, but more so because i am a ND fan, and i might of overrated em some.. I also really like Brady Quinn, and there was nothing that said he wasen't liked by teammates and he has done nothing in pros as well...

    As u know with me, i'm a production guy, but every so often, guys with alittle less then norm production will get my praise, for certain reasons, like maybe they just started playing a certain positon, so u expect there production to go up from where ever it was, and maybe u see a few plays that kinda give u the idea the player is getting it, and just needs a bit more time to really evolve..etc Stuff like that... But for most part, i'm a production guy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSanta View Post
    Well, his play on the field has been pretty good. But when coaches talk ill of a player like that, especially when they are still coaching at that school that has a vested interest in churning out more high picks(for recruiting purposes) then it is an absolute red flag.

    Its no trade secret of mine, but 1 of the things I pay the most attention to is what the coaches and teamates have to say, and often what they leave out about former players.

    It has paid dividends doing this over the years.

    I remember being flamed on these boards for reporting a comment I read about Jimmy Clausen being disliked by his college teammates.

    I also remember a few comments by the strength and conditioning coach at Memphis last year about Dontari Poe that I brought to this board. This was way before most people had any idea who this kid even was.

    When it comes to character of a kid, which obviously the Giants do care about, the comments and support of the people around the kid means a lot to me. People don't support kids they dislike so if a school or a team has negative things to say about a kid, that is not just a red flag, but a HUGE red flag. Those coaches at Oklahoma actually have a vested interest in Jefferson going sooner rather than later in the draft. It is a huge recruiting tool to say "we had x" number of guys taken in the draft this year and "y" number taken in the 1st 3 rounds. Come to our school and that could be you!. That is just 1 example.

    So, for a coach to say something to actually hurt a kid's stock is rare and has to be taken seriously. So if I like a kid or liked a kid it is only based on what I know, and there is no way I can know the practice/ workout habbits of a kid. Im not in their practice.
    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSanta View Post
    The Senior Bowl practice week is arguably the most important week of the offseason for a lot of these players. Fans love the combine, but scouts like the senior bowl week.

    So, Because we have a lot of conversation about it going on spread throughout the various draft threads right now, I decided to give the Senior Bowl it's very own thread.

    Ill start of with the 1st impressions I had:

    Jordan Poyer came in at 6'0 tall which is taller than expect. His skillset has never been in doubt and this measurement will vault his stock up because now scouts will have to look at him in a new way, as something other than just a slot guy.

    DJ Fluker came in at 355lbs and reportedly didnt look sloppy at that wieght. I still think the wear and tear on his body at that wieght could be a problem, and I want to see how he does in drills this week as foot quickness might be a problem. But he passed the eye test at that weight, according to scouts.

    There are 2 small school guys that have everyone talking right now:

    Jonathan Cyprien, DB Florida international reportedly had the best practice of any DB on monday.

    Vance McDonald, TE rice. Scouts have seen enough already of his catching and running. If it turns out he can block too, this kid's stock will fly up.
    Thanks for the update bro. I have this kid Cyprien as my 7 round pick in the sub-forum members mock draft. He is relentless. Ironically too bad he had a good day because his stock is going up.

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    I guess Poyer had a outstanding diving INT , making a beuatiful break on the ball.. I've been high on Poyer since early in the season, having him as a 1st rder before said and done, and worst case early 2nd, and hes pretty much all ready done the early 2nd par.. Poyer was ahead of much hearlded CB's in my personal rankings for some time, and hes showing why with his play at the SR BOWL.. The kid just has "IT" and was born to play CB in the NFL.. I honestly would not mind trading down a handful of spots and selecting the Org St CB and securing a additonal pick if we could.. Not saying thats what i would do, but i woulden't mind.. He would be a great CB to have opposite Prince.. Same with Trufant....

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