Mock take 2

[slipknottin]

I think Mingo has been a top 10 pick in every mock draft I have seen.

I think it's very possible he falls. Because he is undersized and not very productive.

[BlueSabbath]

I think it's very possible he falls. Because he is undersized and not very productive.

I tend to agree.

[Kruunch]

I'm struggling more and more with the first round. Rhodes is a good player, but this draft is deep at CB and I would argue mid round guys are potentially as good as Rhodes. Wreh-Wilson to me is as good of a prospect.

I am still not sure if ansah would ever be a top pass rusher. He never dips around the corner. Not sure he has the flexibility to do it.

I don't see ogletree as a top player because he's the worst LB against the run in the first couple rounds

So where do they go? The other DE prospects? Maybe Mingo is there.


As far as one dimensional player like Lemonier. A pass rush specialist is such a valuable commodity. Look at the year Aldon Smith had his rookie year or Bruce Irvin this year.

And Sio Moore is a much better player than herzlich or Paysinger. He could certainly play significant snaps on defense.

The first round likes that I have are (in order): Okafor, Ansah, Rhodes, Lane Johnson, Ogletree

Ansah (and Okafor) I see more as strong side DEs (replacing Tuck). Setting the edge and getting pursuit sacks. I think they're both great pass rushing prospects, but I agree that neither would probably make GREAT pass rushers. But I don't need them to be the next Strahan ... just the next Tuck.

I think of those, one would be available, and I'd be happy with any of those in the first. They all address a real need in a big way for us. I agree about your assessment of Rhodes vs. later CBs in the draft. As for Ogletree, while I agree with you, I think he's the multidimensional type of LB we really need and our dline has to do more with respect to being stout against the run. That and the run stuffers that will be around in the first round just don't impress me (Minter and Teo). But I can understand the misgivings here.

Lemonier: I don't see him being as good as Osi (or Smith or Irvin). The only way I say grab a situational player is if he blows my hair back at what he does (and Lemonier, while good, doesn't do it for me).

Moore: Herzlich has yet to prove that he can play at this level (or get up to the level he played at BC for that matter) so that's a no-brainer. Paysinger I'll disagree with ... I thought he's been coming along really nicely. While Moore might supplant him, I don't think you can say that with a given (at least I didn't bet that impression from him on the little tape I've watched).

[Kruunch]

I think it's very possible he falls. Because he is undersized and not very productive.

I think it's more likely he'll get scooped up as a 3-4 OLB before us.

[Jahh]

I think it's more likely he'll get scooped up as a 3-4 OLB before us.

Is he a legit DE prospect?

[Kruunch]

Is he a legit DE prospect?

Mingo? He's being touted as that but he doesn't have the size and an extra 30 pounds might slow him down too much. Then again, pass rushing DEs are getting smaller all the time. He's good really solid technique though and he's an athletic marvel.

Because of his range though, I'd see him as more valuable as a 3-4 OLB who can flare out on zone dog blitzes.

[TCHOF]

I think it's very possible he falls. Because he is undersized and not very productive.

Undersized and unproductive? Let's grab this guy!

[rainierjef]

I'm struggling more and more with the first round. Rhodes is a good player, but this draft is deep at CB and I would argue mid round guys are potentially as good as Rhodes. Wreh-Wilson to me is as good of a prospect.

I am still not sure if ansah would ever be a top pass rusher. He never dips around the corner. Not sure he has the flexibility to do it.

I don't see ogletree as a top player because he's the worst LB against the run in the first couple rounds

So where do they go? The other DE prospects? Maybe Mingo is there.


As far as one dimensional player like Lemonier. A pass rush specialist is such a valuable commodity. Look at the year Aldon Smith had his rookie year or Bruce Irvin this year.

And Sio Moore is a much better player than herzlich or Paysinger. He could certainly play significant snaps on defense.

I firmly believe if Mingo / Rhodes / Ansah / ogletree is there. Mingo is the player with the best upside/ polish. I say this cause Anash is player with the most Upside but he is probably going to be a 2nd season performer much like JPP was and I hope he doesn't hit the wall like JPP did when realizing "hey they are game planing to neturalize me." Rhodes at 19 is nice but like you said we can get better prospects in the 2nd, In my mock I took him where he would be the best value. "I don't see ogletree as a top player because he's the worst LB against the run in the first couple rounds." I completely agree with this, Nico to me is a better overall prospect not talent but where we can get him a better value I think.

[rainierjef]

Mingo? He's being touted as that but he doesn't have the size and an extra 30 pounds might slow him down too much. Then again, pass rushing DEs are getting smaller all the time. He's good really solid technique though and he's an athletic marvel.

Because of his range though, I'd see him as more valuable as a 3-4 OLB who can flare out on zone dog blitzes.

he doesn't need 30 all he needs is 20 imho. and he uses his hands extremely well, and has an array of moves to get to the QB. like you said he is extremely atheletic so i don't think he would have an issue dissengaging and getting to the running back.

[Kruunch]

he doesn't need 30 all he needs is 20 imho. and he uses his hands extremely well, and has an array of moves to get to the QB. like you said he is extremely atheletic so i don't think he would have an issue dissengaging and getting to the running back.

Yeah I could see that. My only concern with tweeners is more of them turn out to be busts or 3-4 OLBs than the Jevon Kearse's of the world (Mingo kind of reminds me of a Jevon Kearse type prospect).