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    Quote Originally Posted by GTGiantsFan View Post
    I agree with Gumby, I don't think Cruz has the physical tools to be a top 5 WR in the NFL, you look at the greats like Moss, Fitzgerald, Rice, they were all tough physical BIG wr's. Even the top WR's now, Marshall, Johnson, Johnson, White, Green, Nicks all tough big psychical receivers. While Cruz is an excellent slot receiver that benefits from having a top 5 and probably most physical receiver in the NFL when healthy on his team. He showed that he can't be an elite top 5 receiver alone, his physical set shows he can't "do it all". He is a niche receiver who is the best at what he does, and in a patriots like system can flourish and he post great numbers when there's somebody else to take all the attention off him and he can slip and slide like he did in year 1. He is not a do it all receiver like the elites in the NFL right now though.
    u consider rice a "physical" type wr like those other guys u list? i'd say cruz compares to rice way more than any other guy on that lis aside frm fitz

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    Niche receiver? How about this play - lined up wide TD in double coverage against a physical CB.




    ...But I guess some people will always compare him to the 32 year old 5'9 on a good day Welker who can only jump 30 inches...

    Welker are two completely different players that both possess quickness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    u consider rice a "physical" type wr like those other guys u list? i'd say cruz compares to rice way more than any other guy on that lis aside frm fitz
    He fought for the ball a lot more, jumped higher, better blocker. Cruz is not in the same breath as Jerry Rice though.

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    Niche receiver? How about this play - lined up wide TD in double coverage against a physical CB.




    ...But I guess some people will always compare him to the 32 year old 5'9 on a good day Welker who can only jump 30 inches...

    Welker are two completely different players that both possess quickness.
    Great catch, you know who also had a really great catch? David Tyree. Did either of them do it consistently? No.

    Not saying Cruz is David Tyree by any means, but showing two plays he had in the same year is not gonna change the case that he is a excellent slot receiver, but not a great all around receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTGiantsFan View Post
    Great catch, you know who also had a really great catch? David Tyree. Did either of them do it consistently? No.

    Not saying Cruz is David Tyree by any means, but showing two plays he had in the same year is not gonna change the case that he is a excellent slot receiver, but not a great all around receiver.
    Jerry Rice had a slot receiver skill set. Slow downfield but quick footed and ran good routes.

    You mentioned how Rice could jump higher than Cruz before but it's doubtful given that Cruz has measured one of the best verticals in the league at WR at 41.5 inches. That's higher than almost all of the so called "elite" outside receivers. I can post another 5 videos of Cruz making circus catches in traffic but why even bother?

    What's consistent if 2600 yards in two seasons isn't? Calvin Johnson even disappeared in games at times and had 4 TDs less than Cruz. I think we'd all like to have our players make every play but it just doesn't work like that :/.

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    Please do not compare the best receiver of all time to Cruz, don't be ridiculous. Rice had amazing worth ethic and Cruz can not even be compared to him. Cruz had 500 yards in 11 games this season, only had multiple touchdowns once vs the Browns. Come on, to compare him to the best receiver of all time is so far fetched.

    Rice was a better blocker, had the best work ethic in the history of the NFL, he had a sort of style of play that Cruz had but was better at it by far. He was consistently covered by the best corners in the NFL and could find holes all the time. He was a lot more reliable than Cruz, I wish Cruz was half the player Rice was but there's a long way to go lol.

    Is Cruz a excellent slot receiver? Yes. Should he get payed? Yes. He is not elite, and he shouldn't be compared to Jerry Rice when he had 2 seasons in the NFL and proved he couldn't put up similar numbers when he was the #1 consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dakotajoe View Post
    Jerry Rice had a slot receiver skill set. Slow downfield but quick footed and ran good routes.

    You mentioned how Rice could jump higher than Cruz before but it's doubtful given that Cruz has measured one of the best verticals in the league at WR at 41.5 inches. That's higher than almost all of the so called "elite" outside receivers. I can post another 5 videos of Cruz making circus catches in traffic but why even bother?

    What's consistent if 2600 yards in two seasons isn't? Calvin Johnson even disappeared in games at times and had 4 TDs less than Cruz. I think we'd all like to have our players make every play but it just doesn't work like that :/.
    for the win

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTGiantsFan View Post
    Please do not compare the best receiver of all time to Cruz, don't be ridiculous. Rice had amazing worth ethic and Cruz can not even be compared to him. Cruz had 500 yards in 11 games this season, only had multiple touchdowns once vs the Browns. Come on, to compare him to the best receiver of all time is so far fetched.

    Rice was a better blocker, had the best work ethic in the history of the NFL, he had a sort of style of play that Cruz had but was better at it by far. He was consistently covered by the best corners in the NFL and could find holes all the time. He was a lot more reliable than Cruz, I wish Cruz was half the player Rice was but there's a long way to go lol.

    Is Cruz a excellent slot receiver? Yes. Should he get payed? Yes. He is not elite, and he shouldn't be compared to Jerry Rice when he had 2 seasons in the NFL and proved he couldn't put up similar numbers when he was the #1 consistently.
    no ones saying cruz is on rice's level...at all. we're just saying cruz has a similar skill set to rice...

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    I don't know another person who'd say Cruz is comparable to Jerry Rice.

    Rice was quicker, more reliable, and made space for himself to catch the ball, hence being physical. Cruz runs underneath patterns and the D pays more attention to Nicks who goes deep, and payed more attention to Manningham also. Cruz finds space, and he does a great job at it, Rice made space for himself when he needed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTGiantsFan View Post
    I don't know another person who'd say Cruz is comparable to Jerry Rice.
    me neither. i know plenty of intelligent people who can recognize cruz has a similar set of skills with rice...

    edit-u even say so urself in ur post a couple posts ago

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