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    Quote Originally Posted by Morehead State View Post
    Alex Smith is a MUCH better player than Mark Sanchez. He protects the ball very well, and is highly mobile. He's also shown that he can make big plays in huge moments, Ala the Saints playoff game last season.
    Smith has only been effective since his role was scaled back. Harbaugh disguised his (many) weaknesses.

    Don't forget that Sanchez has also taken his team to conference championships. Him and Smith are equally adept at riding defenses.

  2. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Drez View Post
    Who is saying that Revis isn't a great player (other than wondering how he'll come back from injury, which is a valid concern)? What is at debate here is whether or not Revis is worth the money he will ask for? Do you think it's wise to spend $15m+ a year on one player that isn't a QB? How many areas of need on our team could we improve with the cap space Revis would swallow? You also have to add in the picks that you'd have to give up to get him.

    Bottom line is that he's only one player, and seeing as he's not a QB he won't impact the game enough to warrant the money he's asking for.
    That's the beauty of football and non guaranteed contracts. Take a risk in an area where we are deficient, roll the dice, and maybe he trains as hard as "All Day" AP!

  3. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Morehead State View Post
    Again...I just don't get this.
    "PR" doesn't win football games. NFL teams have to rise above this stuff and do whats right for the team. If they think that trading Revis (due to his contract situation) is the right thing foe the team, then they should trade him if they can. Its MUCH better to trade him to a team that they play once every 4 years than within the conference or division.

    Some of you guys care too much about this Jets/Giants thing. We share a stadium and that's about it. There is a business relationship as a product, but other than that we don't really have anything to do with each other football-wise.
    Everything you are saying is true. We don't have anything to do with each other. And as Giants fans it is easy for us to take this approach. But to Jets fans who have watched us have 5 SB appearances with 4 wins in the past 25 or so years, while they have never since been there since '69, it def matters. And the fans pay the bills. The last thing ownership wants to do is absolutely infuriate the fan base by sending their most beloved player, to the team that they share the city with, and already feel inferior to.

    When is the last time the Jets and Giants ever made a trade, if ever? None that I can remember. It's certainly not going to start with the Jets best player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Smith has only been effective since his role was scaled back. Harbaugh disguised his (many) weaknesses.

    Don't forget that Sanchez has also taken his team to conference championships. Him and Smith are equally adept at riding defenses.
    Smith drove for two TD's in the last 3 minutes of the playoff game vs. NO, including a long TD run down the left sidelines. Sanchez made very few if any real plays to get his team deep into the playoffs. Plus Sanchez has shown how soft and easily rattled he is, which is the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
    Smith is the opposite. The kid is mentally tough and makes plays. He's extremely efficient as a passer and a good runner as well.
    I'm not saying Smith is a great QB but he is a good QB. Sanchez is flat out terrible.

    The Jets would be well served in acquiring Alex Smith.
    Get well soon 80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
    Everything you are saying is true. We don't have anything to do with each other. And as Giants fans it is easy for us to take this approach. But to Jets fans who have watched us have 5 SB appearances with 4 wins in the past 25 or so years, while they have never since been there since '69, it def matters. And the fans pay the bills. The last thing ownership wants to do is absolutely infuriate the fan base by sending their most beloved player, to the team that they share the city with, and already feel inferior to.

    When is the last time the Jets and Giants ever made a trade, if ever? None that I can remember. It's certainly not going to start with the Jets best player.
    If the Giants make (which won't happen) the best offer for the interests of the Jets then they should make the trade. If they don't, they are hurting the football team.
    What you are saying it seems is that it would be smart for the Jets to continue to act like the Jets, (actually care about superficial PR factors).
    I'm saying it would be smart to trade the kid (if they want to trade him) to the team who can improve their team the most, especially if that team is in the other conference.
    Get well soon 80.

  6. #136
    No no trades. Giants can do more with better scheming. Giants also need help in other ereas real bad. I rather them get the O-line fixed. If we can run out the clock in a lead, it can be like the defense keeping the opposition's offense off the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHailEli View Post
    That's the beauty of football and non guaranteed contracts. Take a risk in an area where we are deficient, roll the dice, and maybe he trains as hard as "All Day" AP!
    The thing is that Revis wants $60m GUARANTEED.

  8. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Drez View Post
    The thing is that Revis wants $60m GUARANTEED.
    What he wants and what we offer are two different things. If the Jets want to offload him, we get the Jets a viable offer for next year and see what happens. Try before you buy! If he's good next year then maybe he is worth it and we tackle it in free agency the year after. If he is a dud, then we lost some guys in the secondary who were badly burned anyway and a draft pick. Reese picks winners in the late rounds anyway so giving up a first round is nothing....the Jets will pick a Blair Thomas with the pick anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Smith has only been effective since his role was scaled back. Harbaugh disguised his (many) weaknesses.

    Don't forget that Sanchez has also taken his team to conference championships. Him and Smith are equally adept at riding defenses.
    It is kind of amazing that when Alex Smith plays in a high percentage short and middle passing offense, it is Jim Harbaugh that “disguised” his “weaknesses” but when RG III plays in a dink and dunk high percentage offense put together by Mike Shannahan, RG III is an awesome player.

    I am not claiming that this has been your stance but so many people make one point without the other.

    As of right now, Colin Kapernick has taken San Francisco 49ers one game further than Alex Smith did last year. Now, I like Colin Kapernick and he is doing an awesome job but I think they would still be going to SuperBowl if Alex Smith were their starter.

    Alex Smith is a damn good QB. Comparing him to Mark Sanchez is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllHailEli View Post
    What he wants and what we offer are two different things. If the Jets want to offload him, we get the Jets a viable offer for next year and see what happens. Try before you buy! If he's good next year then maybe he is worth it and we tackle it in free agency the year after. If he is a dud, then we lost some guys in the secondary who were badly burned anyway and a draft pick. Reese picks winners in the late rounds anyway so giving up a first round is nothing....the Jets will pick a Blair Thomas with the pick anyway.
    Then we lose either a 1st or a couple other draft picks on a player that is only here for 1 year? No offense, but that's effin' stupid.

    Also, you're waaaaaay off base thinking that Reese misses early. Out of the 13 players he's drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds only 3 you can haven't panned out, Ross (even though he played major roles in both SB titles, was still disappointing), Sintim, and Austin (the jury is still out, but the verdict isn't looking good).


    2007) 1) Ross
    2) Steve Smith

    2008) 1) KP
    2) TT

    2009: 1) Nicks
    2a) Sintim
    2b) Beatty


    2010: 1)JPP
    2) Joseph


    2011: 1) Prince
    2) Austin.

    2012: 1) Wilson
    2) Randle

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