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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondring View Post
    Every person is not the same and Reese maybe figured it out already. He has got to look at the players down the line cause time is going to pass and more contracts will need to be made or players let go if there is no agreement.
    If anything, certain players need to be cut who are eating away at the cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudyy View Post
    This thread has nothing to do with contract talks.
    This has to do with his skill set and other players replicating his success.
    And your last sentence is silly.
    hmmmm.... what?
    that's all i have been reading about on this thread is contract related stuff. should we pay him or not, that's JOHN BROWN contract talk missy!
    I told you before he is alot receiver that probably feel he deserves #1 receiver money, he probably does just not here.
    and my last sentence is not silly you have a mini crush on cruz, highlight by your many posts of the player, your a chick and your JOHN BROWN avatar
    plus you said you did in one of my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmen46 View Post
    I'm really not concerned that Cruz will play somewhere else next year (or for several years after). He's brought much, much more to the Giants organization as a whole in the past 2 seasons than Smith, Boss, Jacobs ever did, yet comparisons to the FA experiences of those 3 continue to come up in all these Cruz threads the past month.He adds to the "face of the franchise" in ways that those 3 never did, thus bringing more to the consideration than mere stats (as superior as they've been).So many seem to assume Cruz will be asking for "Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald-like" compensation, which Cruz has never even hinted at, and which is ****ing ridiculous to assume.Just think back over the past 10 years or so, and see if anyone can come up with an instance of Giants not making a very competitive--even an outright aggressive--bid to retain a key player considered to be crucial to continued Giants success. And no, Smith, Jacobs, Boss, Ross, an aging Osi,,even Cofield, do not qualify as being in the same discussion as Cruz in this case.While I agree that Cruz is not worth a C Johnson or Fitzgerald contract, I also say this is a specious comparison--a straw argument--because nowhere except on this board has that possibility ever been raised.Cruz will be extended with the Giants this off season. Nicks is an entirely separate decision, and does not have to be dealt with for another year. His 2013 season--and the Giants' 2013 season-- will go a long way to determining how that negotiation pans out.
    Cruz doesnt have to be dealt with longterm either until next year...we can tender him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
    hmmmm.... what?
    that's all i have been reading about on this thread is contract related stuff. should we pay him or not, that's JOHN BROWN contract talk missy!
    I told you before he is alot receiver that probably feel he deserves #1 receiver money, he probably does just not here.
    and my last sentence is not silly you have a mini crush on cruz, highlight by your many posts of the player, your a chick and your JOHN BROWN avatar
    plus you said you did in one of my post.
    The OP had nothing to do with paying him.
    And it is silly, because it has nothing to do with this post lol.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    I would be very surprised if Reese has already made an offer. He has a lot of work to do and no one else can offer Cruz a dime until March 12th.
    Yeah? just like I was surprised of Reese's verbal agreement to Osi during the season. It's not outside of the realm that GM's try to secure assets before the time to do so, Cruz is a free agent, restricted sure but it would behoove reese to get the upper hand on the bidding before the sharks enter the water. come on RF we bonded in a PM don't be this naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
    I would be surprised to, but you are not going to tell me based off interview a smile and some salsa dances; You know off merit cruz is not that type of guy to want a big pay day. frankly we do not know what cruz is aking for right, but a organizational friendly contract is not that cause its common sense, that's the first offer put on the table, and Cruz would of signed that by now. its logical to deduct that and then reason that he wants more, whats more? is the question and it's only fair to say more is alot.
    He clearly wants and deserves a big pay day, no one is arguing that point. A fair contract is one both sides can live with, that's Reese's goal. It may or may not work out, but as I've said before, I would really be surprised if Reese has made a money offer this early. Donig that would make every other free agent up their asking price. All that does is make Reese's job a little more difficult.

    They are reportedly ready to sign Pascoe at something close to vet minimum. He needs to do as much of that as he can before publicly unloading a boat load of cash on Cruz. Tactics are sometimes more important than contract language and dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
    Yeah? just like I was surprised of Reese's verbal agreement to Osi during the season. It's not outside of the realm that GM's try to secure assets before the time to do so, Cruz is a free agent, restricted sure but it would behoove reese to get the upper hand on the bidding before the sharks enter the water. come on RF we bonded in a PM don't be this naive.
    Reese has 45 days to make his first offer. Once that's done, the rest happens very quickly.
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  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudyy View Post
    The OP had nothing to do with paying him.
    And it is silly, because it has nothing to do with this post lol.
    you asked can i provide link to where Cruz said he deserves this? right
    I responded right ?
    you and others responded in line with that post about contract talks right?
    so now like some posts before me were talking about contract talks?
    Its a conversation sweetheart it evolves, keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DownWitJPP View Post
    I haven't seen anyone say that they think Cruz is easily replaceable. He is a heck of a talent and would be greatly missed if he went elsewhere...with that being said if he does go to another team we will find another option just like this team always does. People thought it was the end of the world when Steve Smith went to the Eagles and look what happened...we replaced him with an up and coming slot receiver who turned out to be better than he ever was. One player does not make or break a team inless you are talking about a franchise QB.
    That's fair, and I don't think losing Cruz would send the Giants in a 10 year offensive slump or anything.

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