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    Quote Originally Posted by juice33s View Post
    Agreed, with the way the Giants play 4 DE's on passing downs, I don't think it's necassary to have a pass rushing 3 tech. The best run defense of the modern era (2000 Ravens) featured two space eating DT's (Siragusa, Adams) in their 4/3
    They play the Nascar package because they have no pass rushing DTs. Not the other way around.

    And losing Osi means they have one less end.... So unless they plan on playing Ojomo/Tracy out there instead, they need to play a DT now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    They play the Nascar package because they have no pass rushing DTs. Not the other way around.

    And losing Osi means they have one less end.... So unless they plan on playing Ojomo/Tracy out there instead, they need to play a DT now.
    Thats Marvin Austin!!!!!! He was drafted to be that pass rushing DT and he is going to have to pick his game up. They still need a run stuffing DT out of this draft. You wanna depend on Sean Rodgers who may not get thru pre season due to his health. As a Giant fan I dont wanna depend on Sean Rodgers for my run stuffing all year he isn't likely to play the entire season. He will end up on IR!!! You need a young big bodied Run stuffer and a good ILB. There are a few good ILB out there in FA that could fit the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    They play the Nascar package because they have no pass rushing DTs. Not the other way around.

    And losing Osi means they have one less end.... So unless they plan on playing Ojomo/Tracy out there instead, they need to play a DT now.
    No, they went Nascar because they had thorough breds in the barn and it would be silly not to get them all on the field at the same when ever reasonably possible.

    Whose the best pass rushing 3tech of all time? John Randle, Warren Sapp?....Let me ask you this, on a team with Dwight Freeney, Lawerence Taylor, Reggie White, Bruce smith or any other combination of 4 good to great/versatle D-ends, would Randle and Sapp get on the field on obvious pass rushing situations?

    I would say no, with that roster I'd go Freeney and Taylor on the edges with Smith and White coming up the middle

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    Quote Originally Posted by juice33s View Post
    Whose the best pass rushing 3tech of all time? John Randle, Warren Sapp?....Let me ask you this, on a team with Dwight Freeney, Lawerence Taylor, Reggie White, Bruce smith or any other combination of 4 good to great/versatle D-ends, would Randle and Sapp get on the field on obvious pass rushing situations?
    Absolutely. Nobody would take a 4-3 DE inside vs. a JJ Watt or Geno Atkins.

    DEs are not great inside pass rushers. Giants did it because they had far better pass rushers at DE than DTs, plus they had to try to find a way to get those guys on the field.


    And Reggie White was 300+ pounds, he was an actual DT for a lot of his career.

    Theres a reason there are more DTs in the HoF than DEs, and a reason Sapp made it over Strahan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Absolutely. Nobody would take a 4-3 DE inside vs. a JJ Watt or Geno Atkins.

    DEs are not great inside pass rushers. Giants did it because they had far better pass rushers at DE than DTs, plus they had to try to find a way to get those guys on the field.


    And Reggie White was 300+ pounds, he was an actual DT for a lot of his career.

    Theres a reason there are more DTs in the HoF than DEs, and a reason Sapp made it over Strahan.
    Well technically Watt is a defensive end so....As for White, he was an ACTUAL DE for pretty much his ENTIRE career and lastly you're comparing Sapp a guy who is perhaps the greatest ever at his position to Strahan who was great, but wouldn't be in that category.

    Also there maybe more DT's in the HOF then DE's, but it certainly isn't because they're better pass rushers

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    Quote Originally Posted by juice33s View Post
    Well technically Watt is a defensive end so....As for White, he was an ACTUAL DE for pretty much his ENTIRE career and lastly you're comparing Sapp a guy who is perhaps the greatest ever at his position to Strahan who was great, but wouldn't be in that category.

    Also there maybe more DT's in the HOF then DE's, but it certainly isn't because they're better pass rushers
    Watt is a 5 tech. An interior pass rusher.

    There are a lot of great DTs. Not just Sapp.

    But this entire debate is pointless. Giants don't get a great pass rush from their DEs or their NASCAR package. And now they are missing Osi from that as well. They absolutely need a DT who can provide some push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Watt is a 5 tech. An interior pass rusher.

    There are a lot of great DTs. Not just Sapp.

    But this entire debate is pointless. Giants don't get a great pass rush from their DEs or their NASCAR package. And now they are missing Osi from that as well. They absolutely need a DT who can provide some push.
    Right, a 5tech which is a 3/4 DE, you were arguing for a 4/3 3 tech. And now you want to discredit a philosophy that accounted for more sacks then any other NFL team in the 5 year span between 2007-2011, (Also won us 2 superbowls), because of one down year??...Not to mention the fact that now that Osi is out of the picture you think the best way to retool the pass rush is a DT and not an edge rusher???
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    34 5T ends translate to 43 3T DTs. I don't think he's saying he prefers one of the other as the Giants line was optimal when they got pressure from both the interior and ends, like SB42 where Giants pressured the interior with their tackles and a healthy Tuck. The Giants only had only one consistent pass rusher from the interior last year which was Canty who started on PUP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Watt is a 5 tech. An interior pass rusher.

    There are a lot of great DTs. Not just Sapp.

    But this entire debate is pointless. Giants don't get a great pass rush from their DEs or their NASCAR package. And now they are missing Osi from that as well. They absolutely need a DT who can provide some push.
    The best Ive seen this defense since the 1st Superbowl was 2008 at the start of the season when Fred Robbins was unstoppable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by penguinfarmer;682082[B
    ]34 5T ends translate to 43 3T DTs[/B]. I don't think he's saying he prefers one of the other as the Giants line was optimal when they got pressure from both the interior and ends, like SB42 where Giants pressured the interior with their tackles and a healthy Tuck. The Giants only had only one consistent pass rusher from the interior last year which was Canty who started on PUP.
    Not really, Warren Sapp (Perhaps the greatest 3tech of all time) sucked as a 5T when he went to Oakland. If Watt were on the Giants he'd be a LDE who kicks inside on passing downs. But basically Watt is a freak who could play pretty much any position in any scheme on the Dline

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