Buffy i made the comment about the 49ers as an example to support a main point. "Rodgers has averaged better numbers than eli in the playoffs and the packers defense has given up more points than the giants defense in the playoffs"
Whats your counter argument for that?
Don't take it personal, we're just debating.
As for great-to-All Time-great QBs who never won a SB, there's Marino, Kelly, Moon, Fouts, Tarkenton, and.........? Out of how many starting QBs of the past 47 years--1000? more? Exceptions in my book.
Personally, I liked Johnson because of his journeyman ability to improve somewhat the various teams he played on, and was happy for him to be in the Tampa Bay SB win. But I never thought of him as being on the same level as other SB QB greats (which you didn't claim otherwise, I'm just saying). Hoss was good enough to flourish in those 5 games he started to complete the Giants 90 season. And, like all Giants fans, I was thrilled that was the case. But he didn't exactly continue that achievement the following year for the Giants or the Raiders.
Flacco is different from all the other "exceptions", in my mind. It's still early in his career. Like most non-Ravens fans, at least, I've not been wowed by Flacco up to now. However, He has led (along with Rice, and an up and down -- for the Ravens -- defense) his team to the post season and won at least 1 post season game every season he's been in the league. I believe that's an NFL record, and has to be given at least some credit. But he did step up his game a few notches this season, which was decent but not yet thrilling--until the post season. I was impressed with the next level he seemed to achieve throughout the last 4-5 games he played. His story is obviously still very incomplete, and while I don't yet place him in the same category as the other active QBs who've won SBs the last decade, he is on the rise. Remains to be seen what he does from now on. He does not deserve to be consigned to the Dilfer and McMahon category.
Thing about Rodgers / Brady / Peyton comparisons, I've never seen a post comparing them that qualifies "their first 5 seasons", as you claim is the norm in these debates. And if you do make those comparisons, do you compare their respective first 5 years in the league, or their first 5 seasons as a starter?
Either way you want to count it, Brady led his team to 3 SB victories his first 5 years in the league (first 4 as starter). And he accomplished that with virtually no-name receivers (certainly no Jennings-caliber WR), virtually no running game except for the 3rd SB. And he accomplished that feat in the era of salary cap. Different WR corps each year. First SB win with a team 5 years removed from a SB appearance, whereas Rodgers' first--and only-- SB appearance was with a team 3 years removed from the NFC Championship.
So both Rodgers and Brady inherited teams that were already at "contender level" of readiness to take the next step. Peyton, of course, took over a pure crap team that was still searching for an identity that was lost by them 20 years before.
Sure, it's easy to say you'd start a team with a QB who's years younger, started only 5 seasons vs 12 (or 15 seasons) of 2 other HOF-ready QBs, but that's an artificial assumption for quality comparison purposes.
Take Rodgers. He's good. But after 5 seasons as starting QB--to make a sensible comparison--I'd still take Brady (followed by Peyton because he's the modern day gold standard of NFL QB) before Rodgers. And I don't have the man-crush on Brady that many here have on Rodgers. Just respect for the QB he is.
I already stated it and it is obvious. Playing against different teams with different personnel is going to cause different points scored, points given up, game planning, etc.........etc.......... In the game against Arizona for example, it was a stupid game plan. Green Bay's coaching staff should have known that Aaron Rodgers wasn't gonna win in a shoot out, in the playoffs against Kurt Warner. Our regular season finale against NE Patriots and SuperBowl XLII were two different types of games by us. The game planning had to be different. Our defense isn't going to stop NE Patriots offense in a fast tempo game and Eli Manning isn't going to win a shoot out against Tom Brady. So, we adjusted the game plan and our offense set the tone for the game from the beginning.
Get well soon #80.
Updated Giants schedule.
Week 1: "No excuses"
Week 2: "No excuses"
Week 3: "Super Bowl!"
Week 4: "Super Bowl!"
Week 5: "Super Bowl!"
Week 6: "No excuses"
Week 7: "No excuses"
Week 9: "No excuses"
Week 10: "No excuses"