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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Eli's cap number is a result of Reese's restructuring. If you want math, check the bloated contracts of the average free agents he signed.
    So what's wrong with asking him to extend? Reese is trying to do what's best for the team. He has done a great job since taking over at GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    +1, the Cowboys and Redskins also have to contend with the CAP penalties.
    Funny thing is that they've set up Mara as their paper demon for their cap woes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadofsteel View Post
    Funny thing is that they've set up Mara as their paper demon for their cap woes...
    Yes, when every owner, other than them and one other who was guilty of lesser manipulation but not penalized, voted for the penalties.
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    Courtesy of Spotrac.com http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/eli-manning/

    Contract: 7 yr(s) / $106,900,000 Signing Bonus $13,000,000 Average Salary $15,271,429 End Year: 2015 Free Agent: 2016 / Unrestricted
    ..............Base Salary ......S. Bonus ........Misc.Bonus ....Cap Hit
    2009 ..........7,500,000 .....3,100,000 ...3,100,000 .......13,700,000
    2010 ..........6,500,000 .....2,600,000 ...2,500,000 .......11,600,000
    2011 ..........8,500,000 .....2,600,000 ...2,500,000 .......13,600,000
    2012 ..........1,750,000 .....2,600,000 ...5,250,000 .........9,600,000
    2013 ........13,000,000 .....2,600,000 ...5,250,000 ........20,850,000
    2014 ........15,150,000 - ...5,250,000 ..........................20,400,000
    2015 ........17,000,000 - ...2,750,000 ..........................19,750,000
    2016 UFA

    $35 million guaranteed
    2010 Option Bonus: $12.5 million
    2012 Restructure Bonus: $9 million

    2012-15 Workout Bonus: $500,000
    2500+2250+


    Perhaps less rash opinions and more study of the salary situation would be in order.

    Last year, the cap hit was reduced to $9.6 million. Now the last three years are averaging about $20 million.

    Perhaps Mr. Reese will extend like the Patriots did Brady, perhaps Eli will accept or reject the proposal. We don't know.

    One thing we do know is that this negotiation is better left private and that it shouldn't be rushed to appease a bunch of impatient fans.

    Having Eli on the roster is a blessing, no matter what is done with the contract.
    Last edited by GreenZone; 03-06-2013 at 01:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenZone View Post
    Contract: 7 yr(s) / $106,900,000 Signing Bonus $13,000,000 Average Salary $15,271,429 End Year: 2015 Free Agent: 2016 / Unrestricted
    ..............Base Salary ......S. Bonus ........Misc.Bonus ....Cap Hit
    2009 ..........7,500,000 .....3,100,000 ...3,100,000 .......13,700,000
    2010 ..........6,500,000 .....2,600,000 ...2,500,000 .......11,600,000
    2011 ..........8,500,000 .....2,600,000 ...2,500,000 .......13,600,000
    2012 ..........1,750,000 .....2,600,000 ...5,250,000 .........9,600,000
    2013 ........13,000,000 .....2,600,000 ...5,250,000 ........20,850,000
    2014 ........15,150,000 - ...5,250,000 ..........................20,400,000
    2015 ........17,000,000 - ...2,750,000 ..........................19,750,000
    2016 UFA

    $35 million guaranteed
    2010 Option Bonus: $12.5 million
    2012 Restructure Bonus: $9 million

    2012-15 Workout Bonus: $500,000
    2500+2250+


    Perhaps less rash opinions and more study of the salary situation would be in order.

    Last year, the cap hit was reduced to $9.6 million. Now the last three years are averaging about $20 million.

    Perhaps Mr. Reese will extend like the Patriots did Brady, perhaps Eli will accept or reject the proposal. We don't know.

    One thing we do know is that this negotiation is better left private and that it shouldn't be rushed to appease a bunch of impatient fans.

    Having Eli on the roster is a blessing, no matter what is done with the contract.
    I know nothing about the cap, and frankly...it gives me a headache to have numbers just thrown around.

    I very much appreciate your clear breakdown of what Eli's cap hit (and salary) look like for the next few years.
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    In my opinion Brady's recent extension has put some moral pressure on Eli to do something similar. Brady has said his main objective in the extension is to be on a winning team. Yes, you can argue Eli's two wins over Brady are worth the huge salary difference between them but I don't buy that argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy333 View Post
    So what's wrong with asking him to extend? Reese is trying to do what's best for the team. He has done a great job since taking over at GM.
    There's nothing wrong with asking. What hurts is the inflated CAP hit traditional restructuring creates over the remainder of the contract. That can be eased if they do a Brady type deal that extends and give up big guarantee $$
    Last edited by RoanokeFan; 03-01-2013 at 09:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielboone View Post
    In my opinion Brady's recent extension has put some moral pressure on Eli to do something similar. Brady has said his main objective in the extension is to be on a winning team. Yes, you can argue Eli's two wins over Brady are worth the huge salary difference between them but I don't buy that argument.
    I don't think there is any "moral pressure" on Eli. What Brady did is the exception, not the norm. Most players don't do things like that, and Eli shouldn't be looked at as selfish if he didn't want to do that. These players deserve to earn as much as an owner is willing to pay them, just like any other profession. Eli doesn't owe the Giants anything. He has already delivered beyond what the team could have expected when they traded for him.

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    Eli isn't the highest cap guy anymore. Flacco's new deal just came in at 6 years and $120.6m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenZone View Post
    Contract: 7 yr(s) / $106,900,000 Signing Bonus $13,000,000 Average Salary $15,271,429 End Year: 2015 Free Agent: 2016 / Unrestricted
    ..............Base Salary ......S. Bonus ........Misc.Bonus ....Cap Hit
    2009 ..........7,500,000 .....3,100,000 ...3,100,000 .......13,700,000
    2010 ..........6,500,000 .....2,600,000 ...2,500,000 .......11,600,000
    2011 ..........8,500,000 .....2,600,000 ...2,500,000 .......13,600,000
    2012 ..........1,750,000 .....2,600,000 ...5,250,000 .........9,600,000
    2013 ........13,000,000 .....2,600,000 ...5,250,000 ........20,850,000
    2014 ........15,150,000 - ...5,250,000 ..........................20,400,000
    2015 ........17,000,000 - ...2,750,000 ..........................19,750,000
    2016 UFA

    $35 million guaranteed
    2010 Option Bonus: $12.5 million
    2012 Restructure Bonus: $9 million

    2012-15 Workout Bonus: $500,000
    2500+2250+


    Perhaps less rash opinions and more study of the salary situation would be in order.

    Last year, the cap hit was reduced to $9.6 million. Now the last three years are averaging about $20 million.

    Perhaps Mr. Reese will extend like the Patriots did Brady, perhaps Eli will accept or reject the proposal. We don't know.

    One thing we do know is that this negotiation is better left private and that it shouldn't be rushed to appease a bunch of impatient fans.

    Having Eli on the roster is a blessing, no matter what is done with the contract.
    Great post.
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