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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Well, you shouldn't really expect much out of him when he is asked to contain first and pass rush second as a LDE. The fact he recognizes the concept of containment is already a huge plus over the recently departed Osi and he just has that rare first step you can't pass on if he falls to the Giants. LSU is notorious for having athletic specimens on their team that manage to underachieve. I'm not sure if their is an attitude issue in the locker room or if it's just the coaching staff using these kids in the wrong positions. I mean do you think using a 240lb player exclusively at LDE is a good idea? I just know that Michael Brockers was an underachiever last year for the Tigers and then he became a young star at the Rams in his rookie year. Something tells me that LSU is horrible using their defensive players and that a good NFL coaching staff would make Mingo work.
    Not a huge Mingo fan but if he is there at 19, I would not complain if we grabbed him. He does have the skills to be molded into a very good player. Although him choosing not to bench at both the combine and his pro day is an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheEnigma View Post
    Well, you shouldn't really expect much out of him when he is asked to contain first and pass rush second as a LDE. The fact he recognizes the concept of containment is already a huge plus over the recently departed Osi and he just has that rare first step you can't pass on if he falls to the Giants. LSU is notorious for having athletic specimens on their team that manage to underachieve. I'm not sure if their is an attitude issue in the locker room or if it's just the coaching staff using these kids in the wrong positions. I mean do you think using a 240lb player exclusively at LDE is a good idea? I just know that Michael Brockers was an underachiever last year for the Tigers and then he became a young star at the Rams in his rookie year. Something tells me that LSU is horrible using their defensive players and that a good NFL coaching staff would make Mingo work.
    That could be true. There is definitely a lack of motivation by some on the D-line (rarely the case in their secondary). The thing is with Mingo is do you think he's better suited at DE or OLB? Right now the way I see it is he's too small to play 4-3 DE full time and is too slow to cover as a OLB in the scheme. He's kind of in the middle of that project type area IMO. That's what turns me off about him. The Giants could mold him like you said and may end up becoming a stud but I'm just not overally enticed by the idea.

    I guess I wouldn't be mad with the pick because of his upside but....I don't think I'd be jumping for joy though either.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by tdawg1413 View Post
    Not a huge Mingo fan but if he is there at 19, I would not complain if we grabbed him. He does have the skills to be molded into a very good player. Although him choosing not to bench at both the combine and his pro day is an issue.
    I agree about the concern but if any team is serious about taking him, they would schedule a private workout and have him hit the bench.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by titwio View Post
    That could be true. There is definitely a lack of motivation by some on the D-line (rarely the case in their secondary). The thing is with Mingo is do you think he's better suited at DE or OLB? Right now the way I see it is he's too small to play 4-3 DE full time and is too slow to cover as a OLB in the scheme. He's kind of in the middle of that project type area IMO. That's what turns me off about him. The Giants could mold him like you said and may end up becoming a stud but I'm just not overally enticed by the idea.

    I guess I wouldn't be mad with the pick because of his upside but....I don't think I'd be jumping for joy though either.
    He needs to be utilized like Bruce Irvin in Seattle. He's obviously not a full time DE prospect but he would still be a huge upgrade over Kiwi at SAM. Being completely honest, you have to admit that he would provide much better coverage than Kiwi could ever give us. Anyway, this is how he should be used if he goes to a 4-3 club. Otherwise, it would probably be a wasted selection.

    http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2012/0...in-as-the-leo/

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    Mingo is perfect for a 3-4 team (OLB).. I rather have somebody that fits our D
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    Quote Originally Posted by titwio View Post
    That could be true. There is definitely a lack of motivation by some on the D-line (rarely the case in their secondary). The thing is with Mingo is do you think he's better suited at DE or OLB? Right now the way I see it is he's too small to play 4-3 DE full time and is too slow to cover as a OLB in the scheme. He's kind of in the middle of that project type area IMO. That's what turns me off about him. The Giants could mold him like you said and may end up becoming a stud but I'm just not overally enticed by the idea.

    I guess I wouldn't be mad with the pick because of his upside but....I don't think I'd be jumping for joy though either.
    To slow let me ask u how many LB's were faster then Mingo at the combine? 2 Zaviar Gooden, Cornelius Washington. He ran faster then Ogletree. 90% of the LB's in this draft are to slow to play LB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    To slow let me ask u how many LB's were faster then Mingo at the combine? 2 Zaviar Gooden, Cornelius Washington. He ran faster then Ogletree. 90% of the LB's in this draft are to slow to play LB
    I worded that wrong. I meant to imply his instincts and lack of experience playing that position would make him a project. Don't know why I said slow. I know he ran a great time.....that's not what I meant though. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titwio View Post
    I worded that wrong. I meant to imply his instincts and lack of experience playing that position would make him a project. Don't know why I said slow. I know he ran a great time.....that's not what I meant though. My bad.
    I think he was playing out of position at LSU. If he had been put in the same situation as Anthony Barr at UCLA he would of ripped it up.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by titwio View Post
    I worded that wrong. I meant to imply his instincts and lack of experience playing that position would make him a project. Don't know why I said slow. I know he ran a great time.....that's not what I meant though. My bad.
    He was originally a linebacker coming out of high school but there is legit concern about his lack of experience in terms of coverage, especially in a 4-3 where he will have more space to account for. That's why I think he might just be a pass rushing specialist and also a read option defender in his rookie season.

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    whats going on here? i remember i was calling for a Mingo dream pick months ago. glad to see everyones recognizing what I saw. Slip and Enigma summed it up perfectly.

    mingo would be the ONLY pick id take over cooper/warmack/johnson...mingo was my first choice all along. i remember asking u two (slip and enigma) about him months ago...he'd be a beast rushing the edge opposite JPP or even have him work outside JPP some pass rushes and wreak havoc

    and werners gonna be a so so player. mingo can be great. i dont even think id draft werner tbh

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