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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    You don't think they already have their draft board?
    If Cruz signs its one less thing to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    If Cruz signs its one less thing to worry about.
    You assume "they" are worried
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    I don't think it would be sound advice to make him sign and play under the Tender to become a UFA next offseason and go for a bigger contract. A lot can happen in a long NFL season. He could, A. Have a great season and cash it big time in 2014 and laugh all the way to the bank. He could B. have a sub par season and wind up getting offers worth a lot less then what the Giants offer was. Or he could C. Have a bad injury and totally lose out and wind up just trying to catch on somewhere and have to play for Vet Min till he proves he can still play.
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    Even though 2013 was a losing season, we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Denver, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, New England
    4-New York Giants!!!!!

    Let's make it 5 in 2014 !!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    I think the beat advice after 4/19 from Tom condon would be to accept the Giants offer or a variation of it. That would be the safest route for his financial future
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    Even though 2013 was a losing season, we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Denver, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, New England
    4-New York Giants!!!!!

    Let's make it 5 in 2014 !!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    You assume "they" are worried
    You assume they aren't? No-one knows one way the other.

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    Apparently the world isn't beating down Victor's door quite the way he thought it would. The Giants now have a lot of time to deal with him. He really doesn't have much negotiating room anymore either, with Welker and Amendola both signing for roughly $6 mil/year, that's pretty much Victor's number at this point. He might get a little more because he plays nearly every down; but not much. It's in his and the Giants best interest to get a deal done some time this off season, but, there's no presure as far as the Giants are concerned. If this carries on into the regular season, Victor has a lot more to lose that the Giants. A bad season could really hurt his value, as could an injury of any major severity. If the Giants aren't hearing what they want by draft day, they could conceivably turn up the heat a little more. As it is I think Cruz is going to see Randle and Murphy cut into his playing time some. Murphy's the home run ball kind of guy in the lines of Wallace that can stretch the field. Randle has good outside size that Cruz lacks. They're both probably going to get their share of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    You assume they aren't? No-one knows one way the other.
    I don't think they're worried at all. It's a standard contract. negotiation. Cruz is playing here in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    You assume "they" are worried
    Im worried a bit. If we lose Cruz, we lose a ton on offense, and lately it seems liek we need to out score teams more then stop teams with our defense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    I don't think they're worried at all. It's a standard contract. negotiation. Cruz is playing here in 2013.
    Keyword: "think". You don't know. Until Cruz signs one of the contracts available to him, nothing is certain. For all we know he could hold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Keyword: "think". You don't know. Until Cruz signs one of the contracts available to him, nothing is certain. For all we know he could hold out.
    Yes, but what should they be worried about? Not signing the long term deal is a possibility, so what? That's on Cruz if it happens, which I doubt. Not signing the tender really isn't probable since there are fines and the possibility of losing credit for the 2013 season. If he were to hold out, the fines after 20 days would exceed his salary for 2012 and he'd be an RFA in 2014.

    Plus, they are now working with an agent who is respected and works well with Jerry Reese. He has the right to negotiate the best deal he can and there is no rush to do that right now. He has been talking to Eli and he also talked with TC.
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