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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosevelt View Post
    We only need to look at our own roster to make a case for paying Cruz. Antrel Rolle is slated to make $7 mil this year and the next. I'm a Rolle fan, but Cruz deserves to be paid more than him.
    That is the absolute worst way to look at player salaries, lol.

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    Cruz is a great receiver, and can become a real problem for defenders, be he is NOT a physical player..not nearly as physical as Nicks.
    Will Hill is the J.R. Smith of the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudyy View Post
    If Cruz is so dominant, then why did..over and over and OVER again drop the ball for the same reason? Or alligator a catch?
    if nicks is so dominant why is his best season almost 400 yards less than cruz's best? cruz' worst season was 100 yards less than nicks best,,so what are you really saying? cruz avg's more yards per catch, and has 8 less touchdowns in 2 less seasons. thats dominant? ok then. cruz and nicks are basically the same size, nicks having bigger hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    I am talking about this past year and he didnt dominate anything and was a detriment to the offense,,,not sure what you are watching....nicks is dominant, when healthy, unfortunatley he seems to always have a nagging injury. cruz is dominant as well and has taken games over as well. giants dont win the last superbowl without his play making ability.
    No, you were making a blanket statement about Nicks' career, which was not true. And again, you make the same sweeping judgement about Nicks' injuries in this post. Nicks is healthy most of the time. With the exception of last season, his injuries have not greatly affected his play. When he is healthy, which is the vast majority of the time, he is a dominant outside receiver. He can consistently beat double coverage, and there's a few routes where it doesn't even matter if he's covered, he'll still beat you.

    Nicks uncovers a lot of things for Cruz, and if Nicks didn't have the second best post season ever for a WR (only second to Rice, can't remember the year), then Cruz wouldn't have been able to do what he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drez View Post
    Yes, Cruz has consistently had 10+ drops both years he's played meaningful football in the NFL.
    and he has also had over 1000 yards and close to 1500 with 19 touchdowns,,your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    if nicks is so dominant why is his best season almost 400 yards less than cruz's best? cruz' worst season was 100 yards less than nicks best,,so what are you really saying? cruz avg's more yards per catch, and has 8 less touchdowns in 2 less seasons. thats dominant? ok then. cruz and nicks are basically the same size, nicks having bigger hand.
    Because Nicks is basically doubled almost every possession. Nobody knew who the hell Cruz was or how to cover him.
    Will Hill is the J.R. Smith of the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosevelt View Post
    We only need to look at our own roster to make a case for paying Cruz. Antrel Rolle is slated to make $7 mil this year and the next. I'm a Rolle fan, but Cruz deserves to be paid more than him.
    I here what you are saying Rosey....Idk the system of pay in the nfl is out of control..... imo....everybody wants to get all they can get.....and idiots paying guys more than they are worth... there is just not enough money to go around ....pay scale system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    if nicks is so dominant why is his best season almost 400 yards less than cruz's best? cruz' worst season was 100 yards less than nicks best,,so what are you really saying? cruz avg's more yards per catch, and has 8 less touchdowns in 2 less seasons. thats dominant? ok then. cruz and nicks are basically the same size, nicks having bigger hand.
    Stats are a highly flawed and impartial way to look at who is a better receiver, particularly when one of those players plays in the slot. The slot is easier to play (more route options, not cordoned off by the sideline, etc) and actually generates YAC that is not frequently opened up for outside receivers. Nicks also draws more attention than Cruz; this has a twofold effect, one being Nicks doesn't have the same opportunities for targets and two being that Cruz has less attention and is the beneficiary by getting more targets and then having fewer defenders in his immediate area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    and he has also had over 1000 yards and close to 1500 with 19 touchdowns,,your point?
    10 drops a year is A LOT, especially 2 years running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drez View Post
    10 drops a year is A LOT, especially 2 years running.
    And a lot of those drops aren't contested, they are just flat out drops...what?
    Will Hill is the J.R. Smith of the NFL.

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