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Thread: Reality - Linebacker and Corner were already set before the draft, NOT need positions

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    LB is one thing, in this defense you can hide your LB with DL play. Hankins and Joeseph will make them look better.

    The CBs are a wreck. Amukamara and Hosely are the only guys signed for 2014 worth mentioning. Webby, Ross and T2 are on 1 year deals and there is no one in the hopper. This was a solid CB draft and we failed to take advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    So he can play ILB in a 3-4, and OLB in a 4-3, but he cant play MLB in a 43?

    Bet you he plays MLB for the Ravens often in a 43 too.

    "He played inside and outside linebacker, but the Ravens see him fitting as an inside backer within their scheme" - http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...4-a5b929beb896


    Or how about this, from the Ravens FO - http://www.baltimoreravens.com/video...3-739df4b822ef

    "we thought Brown was one of the best inside linebackers in this draft"
    They thought he was our FO didn't not to mention they have massive bodies in the DL that can help him. Our DL last year was not good, he would have been wasted here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliManningUp View Post
    I don't know why everyone is screaming for a linebacker or corner....neither position was a need

    SLB - Rivers/Kiwi
    MLB - Connor/Herzlich
    WLB - Williams/Paysinger

    Outside of Ogletree, no other linebacker in this draft would start over Rivers/Connor/Williams.


    Corner - Prince/Webster/Hosley/Ross/Thomas

    We already spent high picks in the 2011 (Prince) and 2012 (Hosley) drafts on young corners. You have to give these guys a chance to grow. Webster is counted on to bounce back. Ross is very underrated as a #4 corner - look at the 2nd half of 2011 especially the SB run, he was practically lights out for us, and he was starting then.


    Our linebackers were hurt last year because our DTs were getting blown off the ball and not eating up space. Our corners were hurt last year because our DTs were getting zero push up the middle and QBs threw from a clean pocket. Our front office realized that, and went all in to fix the DT position, feeling that it will directly improve the LBs and CBs.
    THIS +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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    All I hear is Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown. Arthur Brown would have been getting engulfed by all those linemen that our Dline let get to the second level on running plays last year. Ravens have a stout middle that allow him to go and make plays, so please don't look at his production this year in Baltimore and think it translates to what he would do in a Giants uniform- different system, different personnel, different results.

    We got what we NEEDED to get a DT that can clog the running lanes and take on multiple blockers. I like Brown, but no way would I have chose him over Hankins in the second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    All I hear is Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown. Arthur Brown would have been getting engulfed by all those linemen that our Dline let get to the second level on running plays last year. Ravens have a stout middle that allow him to go and make plays, so please don't look at his production this year in Baltimore and think it translates to what he would do in a Giants uniform- different system, different personnel, different results.

    We got what we NEEDED to get a DT that can clog the running lanes and take on multiple blockers. I like Brown, but no way would I have chose him over Hankins in the second.
    exactly. hankins should get a lot of double teams and take them on, leaving room for our LB's to work. it starts in the trenches in a 4-3 and they just weren't that good last year. sure would a patrick willis help us out? hell yeah, but there were no patrick willis's in this draft

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    thats why we went heavy on the dl paticulary at dt. if the line plays better the linebackets will too. ray lewis was awful after siragussa left and his production picked back up when he played behind ngata

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud57 View Post
    None of those guys are good to be starters, we already have the 31st ranked defense
    This.

    Sometimes a linebacker needs to shoot through a gap, blow up a blocking scheme, or seal an edge.

    J-Will is the only guy that has the speed to pursue RBs and TEs....and he is neutralized by blockers.

    Rivers cannot be considered a good linebacker. He is simply not on the field enough. I think it's completely premature to assume he can stay on the field for an entire season. And given how many times he's been knocked on his *** from blockers, I question his field vision.

    Paysinger and Herzlich are average, at best.

    If career stats are any indication, it's debatable whether Dan Connor is an upgrade over Blackburn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliManningUp View Post
    Because our DTs sucked. In a 4-3 defense, when your DTs suck, it will make your LBs/CBs look bad.
    COMPLETLY disagree. When your DTs suck is when a MLB can really put up good stats (especially tackles). When the front (3 or 4) aren't stopping the run its the 2nd lines chance to shine. Look at all the lb's who have high tackles on either bad teams or teams with no push up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    All I hear is Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown. Arthur Brown would have been getting engulfed by all those linemen that our Dline let get to the second level on running plays last year. Ravens have a stout middle that allow him to go and make plays, so please don't look at his production this year in Baltimore and think it translates to what he would do in a Giants uniform- different system, different personnel, different results.

    We got what we NEEDED to get a DT that can clog the running lanes and take on multiple blockers. I like Brown, but no way would I have chose him over Hankins in the second.
    I'm sorry but fixing the Dline problem against the run would've been much easier than hoping one of these LBs can actually play....I'm going franchise MLB that's on the field %100 of the time over a rotational DT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Connor the guy on his third team in three years? Yea hes a stud.

    Arthur Brown will go to multiple probowls.
    I'm with Slip here. I actually like Conner and think if he stays healthy has potential. Now, with that said, I'd much rather have brown. I really think Conner will have a solid year with us as long as he doesn't get hurt, which is part of the problem. But if we are looking for above solid play I'd take brown. Yes he's an unproven rookie and none of know what he will do in the league but we do already know what type of player Conner is. At best he can be very, very solid. Brown I feel at best will be a pro bowler.

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