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    Are they right?

    All those who claim Reese should have drafted a CB and a LB instead of the positions he did draft?
    It appears that Reese bolstered the positions in front of and behind the corners and Line backers by drafting linemen and a safety/linebacker.
    Will Reese's (enclosing) draft choices improve CB and LB play thereby negating drafting either of those positions for at least this year?

    My opinion, barring major injuries we shouldn't be any worse at Lb or corner this year and perhaps improved
    After camp cuts by other teams won't be surprised if Reese snatches up a LB and/or a corner .
    The OLine got younger and beefier and more athletic
    The DLine got nasty in the middle and quick on the end
    The safety position may have gottena real deal steal
    Another running back to make DRrayScott make it or break it this year through competition. (I believe this draft choice was for that reason)
    With these kind of observations I just can't believe the NSL have not offered me a sportswriter position yet to cover the Giants

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    John Mara said they needed to improve in the trenches and that was their approach. I think that went pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    John Mara said they needed to improve in the trenches and that was their approach. I think that went pretty well.
    This draft has TC written all over it, with the exception of the Nassib pick.

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    I don't know what Reese is thinking about the LBer position but if he plans on scouring the FAs and cuts for another bargain basement pickup it will most likely be more of what we already have too much of. I know most people feel that the LBer position has been devalued, I don't, when I see teams with good defenses I always see good LBers on them...

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    LBers are devalued, but they're not devalued enough where you can just throw garbage out there and survive. There has to be some level of quality or you're playing with fire and setting yourself up for problems.

    The value wasn't there in the draft, so I don't blame them for not reaching for a LB (or CB), but there's likely going to be some pretty brutal games for this defense, as the roster is currently constructed, unless some of the young guys on the team that haven't shown a lot to now suddenly do show something.

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    It's no coincidence that teams with better linebackers have better defenses than the Giants.

    I've been waiting a few years now, but the linebacking tradition for the Giants has gone off life support and has now flat-lined.

    If I wanted to get the opinion of the value of linebackers, I would no longer consider the Giants the leading organization to ask. I'd take the opinion of the Bears, Steelers, Ravens or 49ers over whatever Reese has to say about that particular subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    It's no coincidence that teams with better linebackers have better defenses than the Giants.

    I've been waiting a few years now, but the linebacking tradition for the Giants has gone off life support and has now flat-lined.

    If I wanted to get the opinion of the value of linebackers, I would no longer consider the Giants the leading organization to ask. I'd take the opinion of the Bears, Steelers, Ravens or 49ers over whatever Reese has to say about that particular subject.
    Considering nearly every team has a better than than the Giants your LB claims means little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    If I wanted to get the opinion of the value of linebackers, I would no longer consider the Giants the leading organization to ask. I'd take the opinion of the Bears, Steelers, Ravens or 49ers over whatever Reese has to say about that particular subject.
    With the exception of the Bears, they all run a 3-4.

    I'm not sure why you're so concerned with this "tradition" of linebackers. Things change -- the team changes. The Giants have found success with this setup so it's not as if they're doing anything wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    With the exception of the Bears, they all run a 3-4.

    I'm not sure why you're so concerned with this "tradition" of linebackers. Things change -- the team changes. The Giants have found success with this setup so it's not as if they're doing anything wrong.
    I don't consider 31st in the league successful. I'm not living in 2011.

    But if you want to revisit 2011, the Giants defense was getting it's *** handed to it because they didn't know what the hell they were doing until Reese resigned - guess who???.....Chase Blackburn. Boley also had a career year.

    Back in 2007, a great deal of credit should go to Antonio Pierce - yes, a linebacker - for executing Pags' defense. Kawika Mitchell and Chase Blackburn gave them an effective linebacking unit.

    The Bears and Giants run a similar system. Perry Fewell worked under Lovie Smith with the Bears and Rams. The Cover 2 requires good linebackers....it's something the Bears understand....it's why they drafted 2 more this year. The Giants signed Dan Connor to replace Blackburn and Boley.

    Certain teams value linebackers.....the Giants don't, and the Giants defense also happened to suck *** last year. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    I don't consider 31st in the league successful. I'm not living in 2011.

    But if you want to revisit 2011, the Giants defense was getting it's *** handed to it because they didn't know what the hell they were doing until Reese resigned - guess who???.....Chase Blackburn. Boley also had a career year.

    Back in 2007, a great deal of credit should go to Antonio Pierce - yes, a linebacker - for executing Pags' defense. Kawika Mitchell and Chase Blackburn gave them an effective linebacking unit.

    The Bears and Giants run a similar system. Perry Fewell worked under Lovie Smith with the Bears and Rams. The Cover 2 requires good linebackers....it's something the Bears understand....it's why they drafted 2 more this year. The Giants signed Dan Connor to replace Blackburn and Boley.

    Certain teams value linebackers.....the Giants don't, and the Giants defense also happened to suck *** last year. Go figure.
    Our championship defenses were fueled by a DL that was getting the job done. The LBs weren't playing much better than average to good. When the DL is getting it's job done the rest of the defense looks better.

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