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    Quote Originally Posted by njg85m View Post
    Translation:

    Dear defenses, please continue to double team Nicks.
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I don't agree with that. I thought Cruz was worth less money than Nicks and most top tier #1s because he wasn't the focus of the defense when Nicks was on the field, rather he was the benefactor of the double coverage that Nicks drew.

    However, if Cruz was putting up those same stats and teams were double teaming him and leaving Nicks with one-on -one coverage at the #1 then he should get #1 money, even though he play's the slot role.

    Production is the ultimate goal, but you have to factor in how you got your numbers, and how teams were playing you, and how much of your production is a byproduct of the offense that you are in.
    That argument could have worked prior to 2012.. Last season Nicks was healthy for maybe two games tops, Cruz was the opposing defenses primary concern all season and he still had a great season.
    I'm willing to bet a bargaining chip used by Cruz's agent the past few months was that he had a solid season without the help of a healthy Nicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime View Post
    That argument could have worked prior to 2012.. Last season Nicks was healthy for maybe two games tops, Cruz was the opposing defenses primary concern all season and he still had a great season.
    I'm willing to bet a bargaining chip used by Cruz's agent the past few months was that he had a solid season without the help of a healthy Nicks.
    I remember the games when Nicks was not on the field at all and for at least 2 of them Cruz was MIA, not what you want if you are claiming you are the goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I remember the games when Nicks was not on the field at all and for at least 2 of them Cruz was MIA, not what you want if you are claiming you are the goods.
    Two games out of 16? I also recall the whole offense going MIA for a few weeks.
    It's evident both players help each other on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime View Post
    That argument could have worked prior to 2012.. Last season Nicks was healthy for maybe two games tops, Cruz was the opposing defenses primary concern all season and he still had a great season.
    I'm willing to bet a bargaining chip used by Cruz's agent the past few months was that he had a solid season without the help of a healthy Nicks.
    The difference is the position they play. By where Cruz is aligned he is inherently a more difficult guy to cover with a two way go. So he often is doubled no matter who else is on the field at receiver. But that is true for most slot receivers. The really good ones still get open.

    Nicks on the other hand does not demand double coverage based on where he lines up, but instead by how good he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime View Post
    Two games out of 16? I also recall the whole offense going MIA for a few weeks.
    It's evident both players help each other on the field.
    I get it now. You think Cruz is as good as Nicks. No way, no how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I don't agree with that. I thought Cruz was worth less money than Nicks and most top tier #1s because he wasn't the focus of the defense when Nicks was on the field, rather he was the benefactor of the double coverage that Nicks drew.

    However, if Cruz was putting up those same stats and teams were double teaming him and leaving Nicks with one-on -one coverage at the #1 then he should get #1 money, even though he play's the slot role.

    Production is the ultimate goal, but you have to factor in how you got your numbers, and how teams were playing you, and how much of your production is a byproduct of the offense that you are in.
    I can agree with that rationale - but when has that happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I get it now. You think Cruz is as good as Nicks. No way, no how.
    Is that far fetched to think? The past two seasons would agree with that assessment. I have always felt Nicks is the better player, but we have to factor in injuries. And Cruz has him beat by a Country mile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime View Post
    Is that far fetched to think? The past two seasons would agree with that assessment. I have always felt Nicks is the better player, but we have to factor in injuries. And Cruz has him beat by a Country mile.
    Did you watch the 2011 playoffs? You know the games that count the most.

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