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    Quote Originally Posted by Morehead State View Post
    Well I don't think he's more talented than MM at all.
    When MM was forced into the #1 role, he had HUGE games.
    Randle is a solid talent and as I said, he should have a huge season. Manningham was a real playmaker. Don't know that Randle can do some of the things that MM could.
    Well Randle is quite a bit more physically gifted. And if there was one serious knock on MM it was his lack of size and physicality. RR is a much more physical player. But we do have to wait to see how he develops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napstew View Post
    Or maybe he said it bc that's the way he honestly feel.
    could be. at this point its a good situation to be in with a potential 1A and 1B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    "We've been undervalued." is spoken in the past tense. So I assume he's talking about in the past slot receivers in general. The "We" lets you know he is not specifically talking about himself, but about the position in general.

    He never expressed the sentiment I think I am underpaid.
    what? lol thats not right at all. cruz's contract isn't "representing the past", therefore, when he references how he's been undervalued, it doesn't necessarily mean he's referring to some past event. he's describing the situation he currently is in. if his contract were the terms he wanted, he couldn't say "we've been undervalued" now could he...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Well Randle is quite a bit more physically gifted. And if there was one serious knock on MM it was his lack of size and physicality. RR is a much more physical player. But we do have to wait to see how he develops
    Well playmaking ability is hard to gauge when you just look at a player's physicality.
    Manningham was a guy who could take a simple play and turn it into a huge one.

    But don't get me wrong...I like Randle a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Most teams the giants play do that. A big part of the reason the giants struggled against the 49ers in the playoffs was because MM couldn't beat his single coverage.

    Randle is more talented than Manningham was. But he is still learning the offense. But sounds like he has really taken a step forward so far this season.
    This 100%. The offense is going to be solid this year regardless, but if Randle takes the next step the coaching staff thinks he will, it's going to be very, very tough to stop the NYG offense in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    Teams can double team both Nicks and Cruz. That's what makes the #3 receiver, whether it's Randle or Murphy, or a TE or even back that much more critical. If any of them can consistently beat single coverage Eli will go to them all game and rack up huge yards
    "Make them go to Manningham, but make sure we've got Cruz and Nicks"

    [15 seconds later, Manningham hauls in a 40-yard sideline catch]

    Best irony ever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckKnoxx View Post
    Whatever [Tom Quinn] says to keep a near decade long job has to be truly inspirational for him not to be working at IKEA right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    There goes Cruz whining about being underpaid again
    he states a fact that slot recievers are paid/valued less than outside receivers.The only one whining is you pretty much......
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipknottin View Post
    It's very possible. Murphy may give them something that they have never had. A guy who can readily take the top off the defense. And Myers is a very capable receiving TE. And I personally think David Wilson has a ton of upside as a receiving back.

    But it's still very much dependent on Nicks and Cruz to force teams to double them
    This seems to be the core giants philosophy: get enough guys to.take up double teams, and let another guy win a 1-on-1 matchup. Same story on the DL: JPP would take up double teams with.canty (2011) or joseph (2012), leaving whoever was LDE with a single matchup to win. It depended on whoever had the single matchup to win it. When it worked, you had a defense that held rodgers to 20 points and brady to 17. When it didn't.... It was a lot more painful to watch.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckKnoxx View Post
    Whatever [Tom Quinn] says to keep a near decade long job has to be truly inspirational for him not to be working at IKEA right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    what? lol thats not right at all. cruz's contract isn't "representing the past", therefore, when he references how he's been undervalued, it doesn't necessarily mean he's referring to some past event. he's describing the situation he currently is in. if his contract were the terms he wanted, he couldn't say "we've been undervalued" now could he...
    he is saying the slot position in general is undervalued league wide in his opnion
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    Cruz was overpaid. If you looked at last year and how Nicks wasn't himself for majority of that time, Cruz got the right amount of yards he was going to get without another big threat so he got more than what he deserve.

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