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    Is Eli Manning Seeing Ghosts In The Pocket?


    Excerpt: "Eli Manning has relied on toughness and an aversion to unnecessary risks to build the longest active consecutive start streak among NFL quarterbacks, at 155 games. And yet, in the midst of a down season in which his 16 interceptions also lead the league, the way Manning turned away from a blitz coming at him last Sunday and threw his third pick-six of the season -- this one against the Oakland Raiders -- revived a growing suspicion.

    Has Manning been hit so much this year that he's getting gun shy about the pass-rush pressure? Or worse, is Manning flinching and feeling ghosts around him when there are none?

    Even Manning's father, Archie, admitted on the radio this week that "you start to feel there is a black cloud hanging over you" when you're going through the sort of mistake-filled season that Eli has been enduring.

    "I haven't seen anything, but I'm not studying Eli," Giants defensive end Justin Tuck said Thursday. Asked if he believes in the haunted-quarterback phenomenon in general, Tuck nodded and said, "Sure. I've seen it happen against us many times. Once you start hitting a quarterback, especially early in the game, they just start to expect someone to be there to hit them again. You even start to see guys duck when nobody is there."

    How much that's happening now to Eli is a question worth pondering with sack specialist Clay Matthews and the Green Bay Packers coming to New York on Sunday hoping to end the Giants' three-game winning streak.

    The Packers are expected to start third-string quarterback Scott Tolzien in the absence of injured Aaron Rodgers. But Tolzien (24-for-39, 280 yards, 1 touchdown) actually had better stats last week against Philadelphia than Manning did (12-for-22, 140 yards, 1 TD) in the Giants' win against Oakland.

    So just because the Giants should have a better chance of beating the Packers without Rodgers and maintain their hopes of climbing back into the NFC East race doesn't mean they will. Little about the Giants' 3-6 season has felt sure this year.

    Eli himself never could or would admit the pass-rush pressure, weariness at taking hits and working without a reliable running game is all getting to him. But outsiders have been talking about it for weeks.

    Early last month when the Giants were 0-4, an unnamed NFL personnel director told the New York Daily News, "[Manning's] confidence looks shot to me. He doesn't even look like he's having fun. He just looks beat up."

    Ron Jaworski, the former Eagles quarterback and current ESPN analyst who is known for his extensive film study, has questioned Manning's "decision-making" and, more recently, whether he's getting "cabin fever" in the pocket.

    Jaworski's decision-making remark came just days after Manning threw three fourth-quarter interceptions against the Eagles on Oct. 27, and even Giants coach Tom Coughlin -- long Eli's most steadfast supporter -- conceded some of Manning's errant throws were "just unbelievable."

    Manning cleaned things up in the Giants' wins over Minnesota and rematch against the Eagles. He didn't throw an interception in either game. But Sunday's 24-20 win against the Raiders presented another example of how the hits might be getting to him: With a blitz coming off the corner, Manning telegraphed his pass to his intended target, Victor Cruz; as he unloaded the ball as he turned his head -- never a good idea. The Raiders' Tracy Porter undercut the route and returned the interception 43 yards for a touchdown just before the first half ended.

    Coughlin, not wanting to risk any more mistakes, decided to run out the clock when the Giants got the ball right back, and they were booed as they ran off to the dressing room to "regroup," in Coughlin's words.

    "I think [Eli] let it go and didn't even see the nickel [back], but he was there," Coughlin said." Read more...
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    Spin that Webb young Davis

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    David Carr syndrome. Hopefully he can shake it

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    Eli will be back to normal soon. Have faith guys

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    Lol at Tuck. QB's ducking when there's nobody there.

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    Finally a 28-40 game for Eli with 3td passes and no interceptions
    Football has been very, very good to us.
    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
    4-New York Giants!!!
    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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    theres def something to this. but the article goes a bit far imo. QBs go by mental alarm clocks almost. many teams employ some sort of system where a countdown is done from a specific amount of time in relation to the timing the pass rush is getting home, and the QB is to get rid of it before the alarm/buzzer goes off. If he doesn't its a sack.

    even if its not practiced, all QBs still have some sort of system that correlates with this. they have a mental clock that will signal to them to get rid of the ball or scramble when necessary.

    now, the first 4 or 5 weeks, the OL was allowing free pass rushers to get home on the reg. Last year, Eli was already one of the QBs with least amount of avg time before being sacked. ANd the OL only got worse the first 5 games or so. I think that weighs heavily on Eli and still does. the memory of those games has already been ingrained into his psyche. Good news is, the OL has gradually gotten better in the sense Eli has a better idea that free rushers arent going to be coming in free untouched. he def does look like hes operating under that mental clock he would have had the first 5 games or so, and not the past 3 games.

    and the comment about it looking like hes not even having any fun is dead on accurate imo. he really looks like hes been miserable this entire year. i know we've played horribly but still it doesnt seem like he's right just yet. it absolutely needs to come by GB.

    and fwiw, this isnt something i'm like blaming eli for or discrediting him over. dudes never missed a start and has played through some serious hits. wish we would have given him a better OL years ago tho.

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