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    Quote Originally Posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
    Recently people have mentioned wanting to see Eli in a different system. I can't help but wonder if KG was Brees' OC while in SD...and if so, how did going to SP's system work for Drew?

    Also, if Drew is all that...which he appears to be...how did SD ever let him go? Even if they thought he was injured goods, they sure didn't let him stick around long enough to find out. I wonder why that is?
    Because they had an oppurunity to grab a top college QB. Thats a safer decision than chancing brees getting injured or regressing. Pretty much the exact situation as peyton/luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSP View Post
    Pretty much the exact situation as peyton/luck
    Except Brees was only in his mid-twenties when Rivers was drafted. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire then, so maybe they just weren't convinced he was a franchise guy. Hard to blame them, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Except Brees was only in his mid-twenties when Rivers was drafted. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire then, so maybe they just weren't convinced he was a franchise guy. Hard to blame them, really.
    The ages dont matter. If peyton lives to 103 he will still be a better QB than most in their mid 20s lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Except Brees was only in his mid-twenties when Rivers was drafted. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire then, so maybe they just weren't convinced he was a franchise guy. Hard to blame them, really.
    Exactly...and my point is that "he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire." Why is it such a stretch to imagine if Eli were running something like...say...SP's system in NO. Worked out pretty good for Brees...no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
    Recently people have mentioned wanting to see Eli in a different system. I can't help but wonder if KG was Brees' OC while in SD...and if so, how did going to SP's system work for Drew?

    Also, if Drew is all that...which he appears to be...how did SD ever let him go? Even if they thought he was injured goods, they sure didn't let him stick around long enough to find out. I wonder why that is?
    The OC for Brees when he was a charger was Norv Turner his rookie year and then Cam Cameron. Brees was a back up to flutie his rookie year. Year 2 got off to a promising start as the Chargers started 6-1 and then collapsed. Over the next 1.5 seasons the chargers went 6-19 and Brees was benched throwing more INTs then TDs and the chargers had the worst record in the league.

    After drafting Eli and trading for Rivers, Brees came into his own. Whether it was just natural growth or the drafting of Rivers lit a fire under him is unknown. But he was very good in 2004 and the chargers went from 4-12 to 12-4 and hosted a first round playoff game which they lost in Marty fashion, by going ultra conservative and the kicker (who they got in the Eli trade) missed a 40 yarder in OT.

    In 2005 Brees was franchis tagged to his dismay as he wanted a guarantee, regressed a bit but was still good, but in the meaningless season finale he got his shoulder bashed in trying to recover a fumble in his own endzone. Doctors told the chargers he had little chance to come back from it. The chargers had Rivers waiting in the wings, offered Brees a contract that Brees found insulting and was still upset that he was franchised for this very reason sought other offers. 2 teams offered him a contract. The dolphins who offered him the same the chargers did, an incentive laden contract and the saints who desperate for a QB offered him a lot of guaranteed money. He chose the guaranteed money and the rest is history.

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    Who cares... Eli did good by not giving the press fodder where there did not need to be any....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSP View Post
    Dont they all? It took peyton ten years to get a ring. Its been over ten years since brady has gotten one. Marino never got one
    this is true thats y the 2 sb debate doesnt hold water. its a team accomplishment. it is the reason QB a can throw 1 td and 1 int and still win a game while the other throws 3td's and loses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harooni View Post
    this is true thats y the 2 sb debate doesnt hold water. its a team accomplishment. it is the reason QB a can throw 1 td and 1 int and still win a game while the other throws 3td's and loses.
    exactly. The superbowl wins are something the giants can hang their hat on to prove that it wasn't necessarily a mistake to take what appears to be an inferior QB and give up other draft considerations for that QB.

    It probably didn't cost the Giants any other super bowls and theres no telling if Rivers even would have won any if he were a giant (and according to Accorsi he wouldn't have even been a giant anyway as he wanted Big Ben). So Giants fans have a right to be happy with how the trade worked out regardless of who the better QB is, was or turns out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titoswooten View Post
    exactly. The superbowl wins are something the giants can hang their hat on to prove that it wasn't necessarily a mistake to take what appears to be an inferior QB and give up other draft considerations for that QB.

    It probably didn't cost the Giants any other super bowls and theres no telling if Rivers even would have won any if he were a giant (and according to Accorsi he wouldn't have even been a giant anyway as he wanted Big Ben). So Giants fans have a right to be happy with how the trade worked out regardless of who the better QB is, was or turns out to be.
    i agree but with big ben we may have had a shot 2004 as he played well right out of the gate and eli went through some growing pains for a while.

    now the injury factor and everything else , hindsight 2 sb's yes one could say EA made the right call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harooni View Post
    i agree but with big ben we may have had a shot 2004 as he played well right out of the gate and eli went through some growing pains for a while.

    now the injury factor and everything else , hindsight 2 sb's yes one could say EA made the right call.
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