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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    Pretty sure I'm already correct but the lowest we could possibly draft now is at the #26th spot, right? That's obviously assuming we would lose to GB and Denver loses too. Denver would be in front of us because we have the better record. Kind of excited to see where we might go in that area of the draft in the 1st round.
    3/25/14 - Updated Mock with 5th round comp pick

    1. Anthony Barr, Defensive End, UCLA
    2. Marcus Martin, Center Guard, USC
    3. Anthony Johnson, Defensive Nostril Tackle, LSU
    4. Marcel Jensen, Offensive End, Fresno State
    5. Wesley Johnson, Offensive Any Guard, Vanderbilt
    5. Aaron Colvin, Defensive Halfback, Oklahoma
    6. Storm Johnson, Guy Who Runs With Football, UCF

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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report fro<span class="echo-item-text">m Walt football on </span><span class="echo-item-text">mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</span><font size="4"><table border="0" width="95%"><tbody><tr><td width="25%"><div align="center"> </div></td>
    <td width="70%"><div align="left"> <font color="navy" size="5">[*]Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265
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    <font size="5"> Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </font>

    <font size="3"> By Charlie Campbell </font>



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    Strengths:
    [*] Raw speed to turn the edge
    [*] Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
    [*] Strength
    [*] Repertoire of moves
    [*] Active hands
    [*] Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
    [*] Always looking to force fumbles
    [*] Quick get off
    [*] Shedding blocks when pass rushing
    [*] Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
    [*] Extremely athletic











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    Weaknesses:

    [*] One-year wonder
    [*] Lacks complete body of work in college
    [*] Quality of tackles he faced







    Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in
    college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced
    fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon
    Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a
    fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and
    strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57
    tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.



    Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better
    of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike
    Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin
    Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull
    rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on
    Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for
    part of the game.



    Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He
    attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has
    the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus
    has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush
    into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so
    cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical
    skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.



    Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as
    he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the
    backfield to disrupt running plays.



    The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup
    sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010,
    Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles
    for a loss.







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    Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of
    similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who
    come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They
    also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more
    production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has
    turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.





    Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range
    as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon
    Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the
    question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up
    to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.





    NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit




    What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic
    ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him
    up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right
    defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.




    The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge
    rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need
    to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets
    past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some
    young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for
    Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they
    could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost
    took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril,
    they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.

    </div>[/quote]<font size="2">Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </font>
    [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m parison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m paring hi</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription"> m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m e outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m e when the draft is here <font size="4">Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</font>
    </span>[/quote]<font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder</font>


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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    I was looking at Sideline Scouting's newest mock and the have Quinton Coples still available when we pick. It got me thinking... could Coples add 20-25 lbs and play 3-Tech DT?? I think he could add the weight and still keep most of his athleticism which would be scary.

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    [quote user="heavyhitter"]<font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy.* Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder</font>
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    [quote user="Rob Rang"]He plays hard through the whistle and even when effectively contained for several seconds, he persevered to make impact plays in 2011. An aggressive defensive scheme helped bloat Mercilus' stat line.

    Illinois blitzed often, creating favorable matchups for edge pass rushers, and Mercilus often looped inside to attack slower interior linemen.

    Scheme and hustle, not sheer athleticism, led to virtually every big play Mercilus made in regular-season games against Arizona State (Sept. 17), Northwestern (Oct. 1) and Penn State (Oct. 29) and UCLA last Saturday in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Illinois recorded 103 tackles for loss this season, the fourth-highest current total in the country. [/quote]

    Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?

    I'm not one to have the utmost confidence to turn every raw mold of clay into a diamond, but it's incredibly hard to argue with our rich DE tradition. I don't think there is a greater place to learn technique. His stats may be a product of his system, but he seems to have the athleticism and motor everyone covets. He can very well flourish with the personnel in NY.

    Plus his name is MERCILUS!

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="bLuereverie"][quote user="heavyhitter"]<font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy.* Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder</font>
    [/quote]

    [quote user="Rob Rang"]He plays hard through the whistle and even when effectively contained for several seconds, he persevered to make impact plays in 2011. An aggressive defensive scheme helped bloat Mercilus' stat line.

    Illinois blitzed often, creating favorable matchups for edge pass rushers, and Mercilus often looped inside to attack slower interior linemen.

    Scheme and hustle, not sheer athleticism, led to virtually every big play Mercilus made in regular-season games against Arizona State (Sept. 17), Northwestern (Oct. 1) and Penn State (Oct. 29) and UCLA last Saturday in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Illinois recorded 103 tackles for loss this season, the fourth-highest current total in the country. [/quote]

    Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?

    I'm not one to have the utmost confidence to turn every raw mold of clay into a diamond, but it's incredibly hard to argue with our rich DE tradition. I don't think there is a greater place to learn technique. His stats may be a product of his system, but he seems to have the athleticism and motor everyone covets. He can very well flourish with the personnel in NY.

    Plus his name is MERCILUS![/quote]

    It says he doesnt have sheer athleticism.This is more of a negative scouting report then a positive one. I do like Mercilus though and think he is good value where the Giants would be picking.From now on only guys that keep coming are worth drafting and Mercilus does that.

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    I didn't say it was good. The argument though was that his stats were a product of the system around him, which I don't find as compelling of an argument by Rang especially when in application for the Giants specifically.


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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report fro<span class="echo-item-text">m Walt football on </span><span class="echo-item-text">mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</span><font size="4"><table width="95%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td width="25%"><div align="center"> </div></td>
    <td width="70%"><div align="left"> <font size="5" color="navy">[*]Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265
    [*]Defensive End

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    <font size="5"> Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </font>

    <font size="3"> By Charlie Campbell </font>



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    Strengths:
    [*] Raw speed to turn the edge
    [*] Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
    [*] Strength
    [*] Repertoire of moves
    [*] Active hands
    [*] Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
    [*] Always looking to force fumbles
    [*] Quick get off
    [*] Shedding blocks when pass rushing
    [*] Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
    [*] Extremely athletic











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    Weaknesses:

    [*] One-year wonder
    [*] Lacks complete body of work in college
    [*] Quality of tackles he faced







    Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in
    college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced
    fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon
    Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a
    fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and
    strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57
    tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.



    Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better
    of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike
    Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin
    Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull
    rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on
    Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for
    part of the game.



    Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He
    attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has
    the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus
    has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush
    into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so
    cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical
    skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.



    Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as
    he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the
    backfield to disrupt running plays.



    The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup
    sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010,
    Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles
    for a loss.







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    Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of
    similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who
    come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They
    also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more
    production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has
    turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.





    Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range
    as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon
    Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the
    question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up
    to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.





    NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit




    What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic
    ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him
    up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right
    defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.




    The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge
    rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need
    to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets
    past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some
    young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for
    Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they
    could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost
    took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril,
    they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.

    </div>[/quote]<font size="2">Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </font>
    [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m parison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m paring hi</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription"> m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m e outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m e when the draft is here <font size="4">Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</font>
    </span>[/quote]<font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder</font>
    [/quote] I seen the article that Rob Rang wrote. U ask if i really want to take that risk on Whitney in RD 1? Well i ask Do u really want to take that risk on Jason Pierre Paul in RD 1? A guy who had about half the production in his one big yr of college football then Whitney did? And i'd argue that the big 10 is better then the Big East as well especially when your talking about Offensive line<font size="2">man. The botto</font><font size="2">m line is Whitney will fly up draft boards as hes got perfect size and a sensational </font><font size="2">motor and unhearleded production in this past season(lead the country in sacks and forced fu</font><font size="2">mbles) What else would u want outta a prospect? Theres litteraly nothing else u could ask for outta a prospect then u do with Whitney outside of hes not done it for 4yrs but then again Hes only a JR so if he went back to ILL next yr and did it again he'd have 2yrs of great production which isn't unco</font><font size="2">m</font><font size="2">mon at all. Whitney is the real deal and i would be utterly shocked if so</font><font size="2">meone didn't ju</font><font size="2">mp on his upside and potential si</font><font size="2">milar to what the Giants did with JPP when he ca</font><font size="2">me out . Again Whitney destroyed JPP's production if u co</font><font size="2">mpare there 1big season of </font><font size="2">major college football
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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report fro<SPAN class=echo-item-text>m Walt football on </SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</SPAN><FONT size=4>
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    <LI>Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


    <LI>Defensive End

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    <LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Illinois </FONT></LI></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT>


    <CENTER><FONT size=3><FONT size=5>Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </FONT>
    <FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

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    <DIV class=article>Strengths:
    <LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
    <LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
    <LI>Strength
    <LI>Repertoire of moves
    <LI>Active hands
    <LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
    <LI>Always looking to force fumbles
    <LI>Quick get off
    <LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
    <LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
    <LI>Extremely athletic



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    <DIV id=flash_ad27255231 style="OVERFLOW: hidden; WIDTH: 300px; HEIGHT: 250px"></DIV> </CENTER>
    Weaknesses:
    <LI>One-year wonder
    <LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
    <LI>Quality of tackles he faced

    Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

    Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

    Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

    Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

    The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


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    Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

    Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

    NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

    What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

    The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </LI></DIV>[/quote]<FONT size=2>Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </FONT>
    [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mpa rison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mpa ring hi</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me when the draft is here <FONT size=4>Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</FONT>
    </SPAN>[/quote]<FONT size=2>IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder</FONT>
    [/quote] I seen the article that Rob Rang wrote. U ask if i really want to take that risk on Whitney in RD 1? Well i ask Do u really want to take that risk on Jason Pierre Paul in RD 1? A guy who had about half the production in his one big yr of college football then Whitney did? And i'd argue that the big 10 is better then the Big East as well especially when your talking about Offensive line<FONT size=2>man. The botto</FONT><FONT size=2>m line is Whitney will fly up draft boards as hes got perfect size and a sensational </FONT><FONT size=2>motor and unhearleded production in this past season(lead the country in sacks and forced fu</FONT><FONT size=2>mbles) What else would u want outta a prospect? Theres litteraly nothing else u could ask for outta a prospect then u do with Whitney outside of hes not done it for 4yrs but then again Hes only a JR so if he went back to ILL next yr and did it again he'd have 2yrs of great production which isn't unco</FONT><FONT size=2>m</FONT><FONT size=2>mon at all. Whitney is the real deal and i would be utterly shocked if so</FONT><FONT size=2>meone didn't ju</FONT><FONT size=2>mp on his upside and potential si</FONT><FONT size=2>milar to what the Giants did with JPP when he ca</FONT><FONT size=2>me out . Again Whitney destroyed JPP's production if u co</FONT><FONT size=2>mpare there 1big season of </FONT><FONT size=2>major college football
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    What Rang is saying is How Production is obtained is more important then the actual production itself. Sacks can be misleading at times because of a scheme. Say if all of a guys sacks come against TE's, RB's, failed Blitz pick ups, Coverage sacksthe numbers can look better then what the actual player is.Thats not the case with Mercilus im just saying production can be skewed. The FF thing I dont know how u can skew that.Thats the thing that impresses me the most is the turnovers forced.</P>

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    Ya your right about sacks and production being skewed at ti<font size="2">mes but like u said its not the case with Whitney so thats pretty </font><font size="2">much pointless. Don't u agree that Whitney has the best package for a 4/3 end in this draft? I would rather have Whitney and his relentless </font><font size="2">motor then i would watching Quentin Coples dissapear for weeks at a ti</font><font size="2">me. I a</font><font size="2">m a huge Whitney fan and its who i want our Giants to get in this yrs draft. I'd then trade OSI for a 3rd round pick(i think his production last ga</font><font size="2">me of season and into this playoff run will help his trade stock again). But like i said before i don't think whitney will be there when we pick


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    Heres this weeks draft as our season continues to roll along after a huge WIN against the Falcons in first round of NFL playoffs. Again i will do these untill our season ends and then one <font size="2">more before stopping for quite awhile


    1. Dwayne Allen TE Cle</font><font size="2">mson- Sticking with Allen here because he offers </font><font size="2">most bang for our buck in </font><font size="2">my </font><font size="2">mind as far as thinking about what i think the 1st round will look like at this point. Ballard has looked less like the player he did early on this season and i think he'd be perfect as a 2nd TE on a tea</font><font size="2">m. Allen is a special talent and the </font><font size="2">most co</font><font size="2">mplete TE in this draft.

    2. </font><font size="2">markelle </font><font size="2">martin s ok st- I'</font><font size="2">m going with the hard hitting speedy safety in RD 2 becuase i'</font><font size="2">m not a huge Antrel Rolle fan and regardless we need depth there with chad jones not back yet and KP with the creeky knees. </font><font size="2">markelle is a guy i see as a inti</font><font size="2">midator in the NFL and a a good "all around" safey who can </font><font size="2">make plays on the ball despite the f</font><font size="2">act he didn't do that all that </font><font size="2">much this season(still had a very nice season!)

    3.</font><font size="2">micael brewster c Ohio St- I don't know if Brewsters stock will slide this far but i think its possible. If it does and were on the clock with Brewster still there its a no brainer in </font><font size="2">my opinion. Yesterdays first half showed how inconsistent our interior blocking can be and they've been like that all yr. David Baas has been a co</font><font size="2">mplete bust so far in </font><font size="2">my opinion and a upgrade is a </font><font size="2">must with the rugged way the giants run to set up play action. Brewster is a good all around C with good size and despite a few bad ga</font><font size="2">mes this yr has had a very good career in the big 10. I like BIG 10 Line</font><font size="2">man and i always have

    4. Terrance Ganaway RB Baylor- I like the thu</font><font size="2">mper fro</font><font size="2">m baylor who kinda re</font><font size="2">minds </font><font size="2">me of steven jackson as far as running style. I think Ganaway could be a steal in this draft and perfect back for us to throw in a duo or trio</font>. Vick Ballard is another guy i considered here

    5. Ca<font size="2">meron Chis</font><font size="2">m</font> cb <font size="2">maryland- a underrated player on a bad tea</font><font size="2">m. Chis</font><font size="2">m has solid size and good speed and would be a </font><font size="2">much higher pick if he was on say Alaba</font><font size="2">ma

    6. Greg Childs wr Ark- As i said the other day after ARK played K-STATE that i thought Childs looked healthy finally and despite not having a truly </font><font size="2">monster ga</font><font size="2">me looked like the CHilds we thought we'd see this past season. When healthy Childs is a dangerous sure handed big target WR . If we lose </font><font size="2">mario in the offseason I'd be happy to take a shot on Childs for depth and hopefully </font><font size="2">more down the line</font>

    7. De<font size="2">mario Davis LB Arkansas St- The leader of what was a solid defense for </font><font size="2">most of the season Davis is a good late round draft pick trying to hit a HR. Davis has been on of the best Defnders in the Sun Belt his entire career and can </font><font size="2">make plays rushing the passer or playing the run who occasionaly co</font><font size="2">mes up with a pick</font>
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