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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]How the Heck did Jaquizz Rodgers gain a Inch in Height since the Combine??LOL Now, hes 5ft 7inch..lol He also ran a 4.47, big diffrence between that and 4.6something he ran at combine.. Also, Marcus Cannon lost like 8lbs or something since the combine.. I just don't get why we bother with the combine, outside of the drills, it seems, its that day, and the next can be 100pct diffrent, if u had it again... Oh well, people are slowely catching on....

    Its something to do, i think, more then anything else....

    God, i can't wait untill the draft.....


    [/quote]The surface of the tracks are different for the 40 times thats why u get such different times.Many pro days are run on fast tracks.The combine gives them a chance to put everybody on even ground to see how they stack up against each other.The scouts and coaches want to see how the kids react and perform out of there element when things are not controlled by there people.The Pro day stuff I throw out the window unless they didnt perform the drill or where hurt at the combine.[/quote] The surfaces at the proday are better then the surfaces at the combine? So, all the schools have the same Surface for prodays? i don't know about that.. Also, that dosen't explain guys losing inches on there vertical(see brandon Harris and jimmy smith), or Losing Speed on there 40(see sherrod, Kj Wrigh and jeff maehlt, kendall hunter), and gaining inch's on there Height(see jaquizz rodgers) or improving there vertical by 4inches(see eric hagg), or improving there broad jump(see jeff maehl), or losing like 9lbs(see marcus cannon), or even crazier, 12lbs(see nate solder)..

    I could go on like this forever, but u get the point....
    [/quote]Tracks absolutely vary.Some surfaces produce faster times some slower. The combine everyone is on even ground so I believe thats the best way to judge guys speed.I ignorepro day times because im unable to weigh it objectively against other players. Everyones weight varys from day to day most people have 5 pound swings in there weight on a normal basis.Guys like Cannon and Solder being over 300 pounds for them 10 pounds is really nothing. The height thing is weird and must be mistakes there is no way to explain that. Ive seen that with arm length 2. Your right that things vary from day to day somedays u just are in better physical condition. There really shouldnt be so much of a difference though. Hagg gaining 4 inches on a vertical is definitely weird there really shouldnt be that much of a difference. I can see an 1" maybe 2 but 4 is a lot.[/quote] Diffrent, yes, better, i would have no idea...
    Also, if it was so easy for guys to gain weight, why were u so worried about Earl Thomas's weight last yr, or anyone alittle underweight for that matter?

    People are worried about SODERS weight, as they think he has a tough time keeping weight on, now... To me, the combine is one workout, and like any workout, u can have a good workout, or a bad one, and the next day, could be totally diffrent.. I'm to the point, where i don't have any belief in what i see there, excpet the fact its possible for whoever did what, to do it... Its all good though, just something i'm not gonna take much stock in at all, anynore.. Dont get me wrong, i'll always watch, and still be interested...
    [/quote]Earl Thomas wasnt 300 pounds and wasnt a tackle. 10 pounds that isnt muscle on a 190 pound guy could effect his speed. 320 to 300 isnt a big deal on a tackle 190 to 210 on a safety is.[/quote] It totally depends on the OT... Again, people want more weight on Solder, and he lost 12lbs or soemthing, now scouts are wondering, if he can keep wait on, there talking about his stock dropping... Tyron Smith's stock soared just by weighing in, and just by his weight getting up to 300lbs... The point is, its easy for these guys to gain the weight they need to make people happy, or lose it...

    Its ridiculous how diffrent the Combine/Prodays are, and not just 40's... I'm just not a believer in it, as i used to be.. I still will enjoy it, but as i used it as maybe 20pct of my judgement before, i'm now probably putting 10pct of my judgement in it...

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]How the Heck did Jaquizz Rodgers gain a Inch in Height since the Combine??LOL Now, hes 5ft 7inch..lol He also ran a 4.47, big diffrence between that and 4.6something he ran at combine.. Also, Marcus Cannon lost like 8lbs or something since the combine.. I just don't get why we bother with the combine, outside of the drills, it seems, its that day, and the next can be 100pct diffrent, if u had it again... Oh well, people are slowely catching on....

    Its something to do, i think, more then anything else....

    God, i can't wait untill the draft.....


    [/quote]The surface of the tracks are different for the 40 times thats why u get such different times.Many pro days are run on fast tracks.The combine gives them a chance to put everybody on even ground to see how they stack up against each other.The scouts and coaches want to see how the kids react and perform out of there element when things are not controlled by there people.The Pro day stuff I throw out the window unless they didnt perform the drill or where hurt at the combine.[/quote] The surfaces at the proday are better then the surfaces at the combine? So, all the schools have the same Surface for prodays? i don't know about that.. Also, that dosen't explain guys losing inches on there vertical(see brandon Harris and jimmy smith), or Losing Speed on there 40(see sherrod, Kj Wrigh and jeff maehlt, kendall hunter), and gaining inch's on there Height(see jaquizz rodgers) or improving there vertical by 4inches(see eric hagg), or improving there broad jump(see jeff maehl), or losing like 9lbs(see marcus cannon), or even crazier, 12lbs(see nate solder)..

    I could go on like this forever, but u get the point....
    [/quote]Tracks absolutely vary.Some surfaces produce faster times some slower. The combine everyone is on even ground so I believe thats the best way to judge guys speed.I ignorepro day times because im unable to weigh it objectively against other players. Everyones weight varys from day to day most people have 5 pound swings in there weight on a normal basis.Guys like Cannon and Solder being over 300 pounds for them 10 pounds is really nothing. The height thing is weird and must be mistakes there is no way to explain that. Ive seen that with arm length 2. Your right that things vary from day to day somedays u just are in better physical condition. There really shouldnt be so much of a difference though. Hagg gaining 4 inches on a vertical is definitely weird there really shouldnt be that much of a difference. I can see an 1" maybe 2 but 4 is a lot.[/quote] Diffrent, yes, better, i would have no idea...
    Also, if it was so easy for guys to gain weight, why were u so worried about Earl Thomas's weight last yr, or anyone alittle underweight for that matter?

    People are worried about SODERS weight, as they think he has a tough time keeping weight on, now... To me, the combine is one workout, and like any workout, u can have a good workout, or a bad one, and the next day, could be totally diffrent.. I'm to the point, where i don't have any belief in what i see there, excpet the fact its possible for whoever did what, to do it... Its all good though, just something i'm not gonna take much stock in at all, anynore.. Dont get me wrong, i'll always watch, and still be interested...
    [/quote]Earl Thomas wasnt 300 pounds and wasnt a tackle. 10 pounds that isnt muscle on a 190 pound guy could effect his speed. 320 to 300 isnt a big deal on a tackle 190 to 210 on a safety is.[/quote] It totally depends on the OT... Again, people want more weight on Solder, and he lost 12lbs or soemthing, now scouts are wondering, if he can keep wait on, there talking about his stock dropping... Tyron Smith's stock soared just by weighing in, and just by his weight getting up to 300lbs... The point is, its easy for these guys to gain the weight they need to make people happy, or lose it...

    Its ridiculous how different the Combine/Prodays are, and not just 40's... I'm just not a believer in it, as i used to be.. I still will enjoy it, but as i used it as maybe 20pct of my judgement before, i'm now probably putting 10pct of my judgement in it...
    [/quote]I agree with that. The more tape i watch the less stock I take in it.Really I like the drills the most to see there footwork becauseU rarely get those kinds of shots off game tape. Some positions I think it matters more then for others as well. Cornerbacks for instance dont wear that many pads during gamesand the drills that there put through translate pretty well.

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcQ5UvAWU4E







    Coryell Judie top corner prospect 2012 NFL Draft


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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs







    Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl







    2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I







    Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&M







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM




    [/quote] i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&M...

    I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

    [/quote]




    Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois


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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs







    Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl







    2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I







    Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&M







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM




    [/quote] i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&M...

    I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

    [/quote]




    Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois

    [/quote] Awesome... All good games... I just wanted to watch the game against Iowa alittle closer, as i seen it live, and he really had a good game, and i wanted to be able to go back and pause certain things and what not.. All 3 of those games, are good though, and any one will be fine by me... Hes a great pass catcher, kinda came outta nowhere this past yr..

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs







    Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl







    2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I







    Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&M







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM




    [/quote] i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&M...

    I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

    [/quote]




    Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois




    [/quote] Awesome... All good games... I just wanted to watch the game against Iowa alittle closer, as i seen it live, and he really had a good game, and i wanted to be able to go back and pause certain things and what not.. All 3 of those games, are good though, and any one will be fine by me... Hes a great pass catcher, kinda came outta nowhere this past yr..
    [/quote]He is a little light right now but he has the frame to put on weight and still keep his quickness.




    Im watching BC Nevada right now. Virgil Green blocks like a WR.


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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs







    Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl







    2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I







    Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&M







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM




    [/quote] i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&M...

    I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

    [/quote]




    Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois




    [/quote] Awesome... All good games... I just wanted to watch the game against Iowa alittle closer, as i seen it live, and he really had a good game, and i wanted to be able to go back and pause certain things and what not.. All 3 of those games, are good though, and any one will be fine by me... Hes a great pass catcher, kinda came outta nowhere this past yr..
    [/quote]He is a little light right now but he has the frame to put on weight and still keep his quickness.




    Im watching BC Nevada right now. Virgil Green blocks like a WR.

    [/quote] ya, hes a pass catcher... The thing is though, who knows in 3yrs what Virgil will be at in that progression of his game... If the values there, if not, u don't risk that you have another Beckum, and u move on..

    VIrgil makes a Catch in that game, that was ridiculous that i believe they call incomplete, but it wasen't...

    Also, u were showing that stuff about Da'rell Scott, and i didn't know if u knew, but Nic Grigsby of ARIZONA, had possibly the best Proday so far, with the best Vertical we've seen and a sub 4.40 at 4.38...

    This is from CBS SPORTS, but its all over the web.. he killed it...

    Running back Nic Grigsby was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard
    dash by one league source I spoke to following Saturday's workout. The
    scout also noted that the 5-11, 199 pound Grigsby had a 43" vertical
    jump, which would have led all Combine participants this
    year.
    "

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs







    Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl







    2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I







    Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&M







    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM




    [/quote] i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&M...

    I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

    [/quote]




    Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois




    [/quote] Awesome... All good games... I just wanted to watch the game against Iowa alittle closer, as i seen it live, and he really had a good game, and i wanted to be able to go back and pause certain things and what not.. All 3 of those games, are good though, and any one will be fine by me... Hes a great pass catcher, kinda came outta nowhere this past yr..
    [/quote]He is a little light right now but he has the frame to put on weight and still keep his quickness.




    Im watching BC Nevada right now. Virgil Green blocks like a WR.

    [/quote] ya, hes a pass catcher... The thing is though, who knows in 3yrs what Virgil will be at in that progression of his game... If the values there, if not, u don't risk that you have another Beckum, and u move on..

    VIrgil makes a Catch in that game, that was ridiculous that i believe they call incomplete, but it wasen't...

    Also, u were showing that stuff about Da'rell Scott, and i didn't know if u knew, but Nic Grigsby of ARIZONA, had possibly the best Proday so far, with the best Vertical we've seen and a sub 4.40 at 4.38...

    This is from CBS SPORTS, but its all over the web.. he killed it...

    Running back Nic Grigsby was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash by one league source I spoke to following Saturday's workout. The scout also noted that the 5-11, 199 pound Grigsby had a 43" vertical jump, which would have led all Combine participants this year.
    "
    [/quote]What I dont get about Scott is that most outlets were predicting him as a 6th rounder and then he runs a sub 4.4 now he is a late 1st, I dont get it. U cold tell Scott was fast on tape at least I could. I expected him to run a 4.4. The thing is speed was never the problem in the first place with Scott

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    WHOS THE FIRST TO BE PICKED?

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