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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]u[quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    3 Bowl games today with small school guys.




    San Diego State




    QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues




    LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons




    RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring




    Wyoming




    Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS *6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State




    Temple




    Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football




    Utah State




    Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring




    Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well




    Ohio




    WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy




    LA Lafyette-




    Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw




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    [/quote] U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least* UDF status

    Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season*** and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio****** Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands****

    Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009***** Team Captain** Voted* mac 1st team* by mac news media* assosiation for 2011**** Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr** after getting** 13 in 2009* and 3 and* a half in 2010**** Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

    Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns, Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season, with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss, and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0.[/quote]* Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!*
    [/quote]That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA I did mention Brazil Also I think the Temple guards both looked good[/quote] He may be inconsistent but hes certainly worthy of a late round Draft pick with upside**** I totally could see a team like the Ravens taking him in RD 6 or so** He was sensational today!*
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    nyc what about TE*orson charles from Georgia , what do you think of him n what rd?




    [/quote]Charles is an outstanding receiver.He is the best pure receiver in the draft at the TE spot.Part of the reason he is such a good receiver is because he is basically a WR. 6'3" 230 is real small for a TE. i just dont see the giants drafting a guy like him.He has 2nd round talent though




    not sure if u saw this but i put this up not 2 long ago




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    Yeah I agree needs about 2-3 more inches and about 20 more lbs for a prototypical TE in the NFL...would u take him in the 3rd if he was still there??

    [/quote]Not with these coaches.If we had a different coaching staff Id take him in a second.U put him on NE,GB, or the Saints this guy would kill it. For a team like that he has late first round pick value.

    What i find frustrating is a lot of us on this board loved Jimmy Graham coming out and its amazing to me how all these teams missed the boat on him.

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    Heres this weeks mock after another dispicable letdown game by a team that clearly needs to think about a new coaching staff and letting some of these Vets go or trade that have been here for along time and just are not getting it done I'm going heavy on the Defensive End in this mock!

    1 Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- This guys gonna probably rise bigtime by Draftday but if were picking 18th and hes there We gotta get him! We need a legit pass rusher who can consistently get to the QB opposite JPP Whitney and JPP would be a dynamic pass rush DUO!

    2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- Obviously a young talented LB needs to be added and i remember just last yr Lewis being a 1st round talked about LB and i'm not letting a injury plaqued yr get in the way of my thought process This guys very good and has a nice all around skill set and is great value midway through the 2nd

    3 Cliff Harris CB Oregon- Obviously we need speed in the secondary and a guy who can make plays on teh ball and as much upside as possible Harris is a unique talent who also can be involved in Returns and the upside is to high to pass up in the 3rd round I'd take harris and hope hes learned from his offfield mistakes If he has u may get yourself one heck of a corner!

    4 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- I really like Aaron Henry and could see him as a starter in the NFL He comes from a Winning Program and has produced! Solid size and speed and is not a weakness against the pass or run Henry at worst adds depth to a Secondary that needs to play better

    5 mike ryan OT Uconn- A big strong tackle that would be solid value in RD 5 and can really help the Run game Hes the kinda prospect that could end up being a starter in a few yrs or a pinch

    6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- A nice late Round RB prospect whos been a workhorser the small school hilltoppers He ranked 2nd nationally in per game rushing yards and is solidly fast Hes worth a shot this late in the Draft and all the top RB's off the board

    7 Derek moye WR Penn St- One of the better WR's in the country who was plaqued by horrible QB play which will certainly drop him down to the last rounds or undrafted weather its his fault or not This is a guy who could easily find a niche in the NFL because of great hands size and smarts Hes really probably better then alot of more talked about WR's to be honest

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres this weeks mock after another dispicable letdown game by a team that clearly needs to think about a new coaching staff and letting some of these Vets go or trade that have been here for along time and just are not getting it done I'm going heavy on the Defensive End in this mock!

    1 Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- This guys gonna probably rise bigtime by Draftday but if were picking 18th and hes there We gotta get him! We need a legit pass rusher who can consistently get to the QB opposite JPP Whitney and JPP would be a dynamic pass rush DUO!

    2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- Obviously a young talented LB needs to be added and i remember just last yr Lewis being a 1st round talked about LB and i'm not letting a injury plaqued yr get in the way of my thought process This guys very good and has a nice all around skill set and is great value midway through the 2nd

    3 Cliff Harris CB Oregon- Obviously we need speed in the secondary and a guy who can make plays on teh ball and as much upside as possible Harris is a unique talent who also can be involved in Returns and the upside is to high to pass up in the 3rd round I'd take harris and hope hes learned from his offfield mistakes If he has u may get yourself one heck of a corner!

    4 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- I really like Aaron Henry and could see him as a starter in the NFL He comes from a Winning Program and has produced! Solid size and speed and is not a weakness against the pass or run Henry at worst adds depth to a Secondary that needs to play better

    5 mike ryan OT Uconn- A big strong tackle that would be solid value in RD 5 and can really help the Run game Hes the kinda prospect that could end up being a starter in a few yrs or a pinch

    6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- A nice late Round RB prospect whos been a workhorser the small school hilltoppers He ranked 2nd nationally in per game rushing yards and is solidly fast Hes worth a shot this late in the Draft and all the top RB's off the board

    7 Derek moye WR Penn St- One of the better WR's in the country who was plaqued by horrible QB play which will certainly drop him down to the last rounds or undrafted weather its his fault or not This is a guy who could easily find a niche in the NFL because of great hands size and smarts Hes really probably better then alot of more talked about WR's to be honest
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    I would LOVE that draft. Harris in the 3rd would be a steal, and he'd make a great nickle/dime CB, and might just give the return game a spark.

    The only part that worries me is Lewis. His injury history is enough to scare me away (considering this teams' injury problems). I'm not saying there's any S&C problems in Giantsland, but just a general air of bad mojo. That being said, if Lewis can put it behind him, and Herz can return to form (which I don't want to bet against), The two of them + JWill could be a SCARY LB corp (and capable against the pass).

    (Note: I'm also not writing of Sintim just yet. I'd want to see him in training camp/preseason before I'd cut him. He looked very good before he got hurt. Nice a fluid, and was actually good in coverage).


    Edit: A couple alternates (after looking harder at Mercilus and thinking on Lewis some more): Melvin Ingram and Jared Crick.

    I love watching SC's D-line play, and Ingram is a similar player to Tuck (IMO). Good burst, long arms, good motor, and the right size to be kicked inside. He needs to put on a bit of weight and could use some technique help, but this is a line that could nurture his positives. Mercilus' height might get him gone before the G-Men pick, so I would take Ingram in a heartbeat.

    Crick proved to be just as productive sans Suh as with him. He's got great length at 6'6", but is light enough to get moved around as well. He's an explosive hitter who also has great quickness and mobility (not a bad thing to have in a DT/E when you have to play Vick/McCoy twice a year). Had he not been injured, he'd probably be a 1st rounder, but his weight + injury probably push him down.

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

    What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="Kase-1"]I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

    What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL.* And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
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    Burfict had an awful season.He over runs plays,has terrible instincts and didnt take to coaching while he was at ASU.

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    UNC standout WR Dwight Jones suspended and won't be playing in the Independence Bowl. I was actually looking forward to seeing him play in that game. Not sure where scouts have him projected to go in the draft but I would imagine in the first few rounds.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...56338/33973105


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    Surprised nobody is talking about FSU CB Mike Harris. He was one of the top JUCO prospects in the nation before transferring to Florida State. Very versatile DB, great instincts, good tackler and always seems to be in the right place to make a play on the ball. Maybe not talked about a lot because he was the 3rd CB behind Greg Reid and Xavier Rhodes IDK? Call me crazy but I think Harris is a much better CB than Greg Reid, hands down. 6"0, 195 lbs, said to have run in the high 4.3's low 4.4's. Plays both inside and out and is a great cover corner. Definitely worth picking in the mid to later rounds IMO (if he's still on the board).

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Kase-1"]I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

    What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
    [/quote] Burfict had an awful season.He over runs plays,has terrible instincts and didnt take to coaching while he was at ASU.[/quote]
    Other than that though, what do you think?

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="Kase-1"]I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

    What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
    [/quote]The guy is a beast, an animal, top 10 talent for sure but has got some serious on-field character issues. Would have been playing for USC if not for academics. I can see him drafted as high as in the top 10 or as low as the 2nd round. All it takes is one team to fall in love w/ him.

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    Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="GMENAGAIN"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Kase-1"]I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

    What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
    [/quote] Burfict had an awful season.He over runs plays,has terrible instincts and didnt take to coaching while he was at ASU.[/quote]
    Other than that though, what do you think?[/quote]

    Burfict has great speed for his size, and hits a ton. However, he hasn't taken the time to learn the finer points of his position. He plays like he's been the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the field his whole life, and hasn't needed anything else (which is probably true).

    That's just not going to fly at the next level. Add in he penchant for fouls, and he could hand the opposing offense more yards than he prevents.

    He's got all the physical tools to be another Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, but if he doesn't get his mind right and develop the mental tools that those guys have, he'll be another Aaron Curry... but with James Harrison's track record. (in other words, he could wind up being the offenses best weapon).

    IF he gets drafted into the correct situation (Ravens, Steelers, Bears), he could be an all pro. But if he doesn't, he could be a massive bust, and out of the league before his rookie contract is up.

    Honestly, given the state of the Giants' LB corps, and the potential upheaval in the coaching staff, I'd MUCH rather have Kuechly, Zach Brown, Red**** (if he comes out), Travis Lewis, or maybe even Hightower.

    Edit: Add Tank Carder to that list.

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