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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="slipknottin"]Ayers to me is best at 3-4 strong side backer.

    Imagine him across from Clay Matthews. Perfect fit there. As a 4-3 backer, not as good a fit.[/quote] i think Ayers fits either system perfectly well, and i think thats why so many mocks have him going to either or(4/3-3/4)... The thing i like about him in a 4/3 is he can cover well for a SLB... I love how he plays off blocks..

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    [quote user="slipknottin"]Ayers to me is best at 3-4 strong side backer. Imagine him across from Clay Matthews. Perfect fit there. As a 4-3 backer, not as good a fit.[/quote]Kinda might thoughts as well, I think he is a good player not just the best fit with this DC. I think with Spags he could of worked. To me Bruce Carter seems like the best fitfor the Giants skill set wise.If he gets to the size I think he will with that speed he can be a nasty SOLB in Fewells defense. He probably would be a WLBin most defenses though.My linebacker wish list is




    1.Bruce Carter NC




    2. Travis Lewis Oklahoma




    3.Quan Sturdivant NC




    4.Nigel Bradham FSU







    My frustration is coming at the future at safety. After watching how Grant was used I can envision what the Giants were thinking with Chad Jones. He would of been unbelievable in that role and it just really sucks for him and for the Giants.All of the players that seem ripe for that role are all juniors. I just dont know if many juniors are going to come out with an impending lockout. Those fringe 2nd 3rd rounders will probably just stay.




    Does anyone watch any of Pitt. They have a big kid playing SS Dom Deccico.Havent watched a lot of Big East this year if anyones got the skinny on him Im interested.




    As I mentioned before Jeremiline Hines and Eric Hagg have been used in similar ways at Ohio State and Nebraska.


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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"] i think Ayers fits either system perfectly well, and i think thats why so many mocks have him going to either or(4/3-3/4)...* The thing i like about him in a 4/3 is he can cover well for a SLB... I love how he plays off blocks..
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    Every scouting report/mock draft Ive seen done by professionals show him being best fit as a 3-4 OLB on the strongside, similar to Woodley. Those guys have more coverage and run stopping responsibility than the 3-4 weakside backer who is primarily the rush backer.

    His skill set could translate to a 4-3, but he has far more value as a 3-4 OLB.

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] i think Ayers fits either system perfectly well, and i think thats why so many mocks have him going to either or(4/3-3/4)... The thing i like about him in a 4/3 is he can cover well for a SLB... I love how he plays off blocks..
    [/quote]

    Every scouting report/mock draft Ive seen done by professionals show him being best fit as a 3-4 OLB on the strongside, similar to Woodley. Those guys have more coverage and run stopping responsibility than the 3-4 weakside backer who is primarily the rush backer.

    His skill set could translate to a 4-3, but he has far more value as a 3-4 OLB.[/quote] Professionals???lol Anyhow.. I do agree, he could fit a 3/4 great, but because of his abilty to do so much more then just rush the passer, i could see him being a asset to either the 4/3 or 3/4... The giants seem to like big strong SLB's, hence Kiwi, Sintim and Adrian Tracy, so why not get one that is more versatile and can do more then the others? That said, it woulden't surprise me to see him go to either formation, and i've watched a ton of him, and was writing about him on here, way before he was a shoe in for the 1st rd, so i'm basing this on what i've seen from him with my own eyes...

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]First wk in awhile i'm dropping the giants in my projected WEEKLY mock that i try and adjust to the most recent WK... I didn't do one last wk, or would of dropped em a pick or 2 then, as well.. I'm saying(guess) about pick 22 right now....


    1. Akeem Ayers LB UCLA- Love em and his versatility.. Always good to have a SLB that isn't just a guy that can get to the QB but also hold his own in coverege and has a knack for making plays and has shown good hands and athletic ability..

    2. Jason Pinkston OT PITT- This guy can play. Hes a 3yr starter on the left side and pitts run game has always been huge with him as the starting LT.. Good Footwork and Mobility and a talented player.. Not to impressed overall with Beatty Yet, and i'm not sold on Andrews staying healthy and of course we have other injury concerns plus age on our Oline..

    3. Johnny Patrick CB LOUISVILLE- A very expierenced CB, whos not the attention getter of a Janoris Jenkins or Peterson, but gets it done, and does a heck of a job as the key cog of his defense.. Hes got decent size and speed and i think his stock is finally rising as it should of long ago, and don't be surprised if hes off the board by the time we pick here, but for now, hes my 3rd rd pick for us... We need another CB..

    4. Weslye Saunders TE S.Carolina- Before off field issues, Saunders was touted as a Top TE in the country going forward and is a dual threat as a big strong blocker with solid hands.. It would of been fun to see his progress this yr, and the giants possibly needing a big blocking TE with at leaest Solid hands, take a gamble on Saunders here in RD 4, trying to get a steal, and for the TE positon and the giants needing a Starter for boss, its well worth the risk...

    6. Kevin Kowalski C TOLEDO- This is a loaded C Class, and Kowalski has gained recogniton over the wk's and is a fundamentally sound, good sized C that could very easily sneak into the 5th rd, but with such a deep class of C's, i chose to wait untill RD 6, as C is a wierd positon and its odd to see so many taken in the first 5 rd's, so i'm banking someone good slips, and in my scenario, its kowalski.. Also watch small school standout brandon fusco's name, as it continues to gain recogniton(i know nothing about him though)....

    7. Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO- I'm almost banking on this kid getting drafted.. He's a tackling machine that also makes plays and has great size and good speed.. I've actually had alot of expierence with Buffalo on TV over the past couple yrs when they were good and got to see Shannon a few times before this season, and its no surprise hes putting together a Amazing yr in the MAC.. I think hes the type of player that makes a team and ends up being a stellar late rd pick for someone... He also would be good groomed to take over D.Grant's spot..
    [/quote]All good players. I like Ayers as a prospect and if Fewell isnt the DC here I would like him more for the Giants. I think he would of been a very good fit for Spags defense actually. I think with Fewell thougha guy with a little more speed and coverage ability is a better fit. Not that Ayers isnt good with both those things but guys like Carter and Lewis to me seem like a better fit, just my opinion good player though. OT to me is a weird spot I could see the Giants taking one high or not at all. I see 4 guys that havegood ability to play tackle on this team. A lot just depends on Andrews if he locks down the LT spot. If he does U then have Diehl and Beatty as back ups for both tackle spots which is pretty dam good.. Mckenzie play has earned him another year which will give Will Beatty one more year to prove himself as a viable canidate. If he can not, Well the Giants draft one high in 2012. Now if Andrews gets hurt or something happens, Well then U probably need to draft one. As it currently stands Im conflicted on the spot. The cornerback ,Ill take your word on havent watched much Big East football this year. That conference is in the toilet. I dont think they should have an at large BCS bid. Weslye Saunders was a guy I considered as well in my mock. I just really dont like this TE class, Its awful. All the guys are either really undersized, soft, orboth. The lack of them leads me to believe they will be over drafted. Saunders got kicked off his team but has the size and talent to be a good player. In this draft he is about as good as they come . The guy I like Schuylar Oordt from Northern Iowa has a very good size speed combo 6-6 246 pounds 4.65 40. He also beats defenses for big plays. He only has 24 catches but for 400 yards a healthy 16.67 YPC. 6 of his 24 catches have been for over 38 yards. With a team that hasnt thrown the ball to the TE much this year a guy that could just beat the defense down the seam for 35 yards once a game could be a good thing. In this awful class a guy with his athleticism and penchant for big plays cant be ignored. I like Kirkpatrick and I really think he has a good chance of being drafted by the Giants but Kowalski isnt a bad player. Has good size with a frame to bulk up and help out at guard if needed. I would not mind getting him if we dont get Kirkpatrick. Davonte Shannon has insane tackle numbers and seems like a good fit as a SS.[/quote] Ya, with saunders, i figure in such a weak class, why not try and steal a TE that has dropped for off field reasons, but has big potential and can at least block well, and his hands were ever improving... In such a weak TE class, i figure its worth the gamble trying to get a TE with big potential that dropped for off field issue's

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]Professionals???lol Anyhow..[/quote]

    yes... paid scouts.

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Professionals???lol Anyhow..[/quote]

    yes... paid scouts.[/quote] who? And what paid scouts are doing mock drafts? Thats ridiculous.. Why would they be mocking teams there scouting for? I could see scouting reports, but mock drafts? They have to much time on there hands...


    Anyway, i really could care less about any of that, because they are wrong a ridiculous amount of time, and it gets old thinking those sites or any for that matter, know whats going on, then draft day comes, and its completly diffrent, and full of surprises usually starting within the first 5picks...

    U watch this tape, and tell me, why This guy woulden't fit a 4/3 absoulutley perfectly.. This is around when i started really following Ayers, as i bet this game and fell in love with Ayers... Notice, almost every play, UCLA is playing with 4down lineman as any 4/3 usually does, and hes lining up in coverege and standing up to rush and inside even.... He can do it all, absoulutley no problem for him...

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    As I said, he could fit in a 4-3 defense, but the value is much much higher for a 3-4 OLB than there is for a strongside 4-3 backer.

    From all the tape Ive seen of him, he looks more like a 34 strongside backer, he reminds me a ton of Lamarr Woodley

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    Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="slipknottin"]As I said, he could fit in a 4-3 defense, but the value is much much higher for a 3-4 OLB than there is for a strongside 4-3 backer.

    From all the tape Ive seen of him, he looks more like a 34 strongside backer, he reminds me a ton of Lamarr Woodley[/quote] he was almost never in a 3/4 in that tape.. but to each his own... I dissagree, and think he 100pct fits equally as a strong or weak side lb in either formation.. I love his Athletic, not to big but sleek frame, that is good for batting pass's on pass rush's and getting his hands on a pass last second in coverege... He reminds me of the type of SLB i think the giants would love to have, as they looked through Kiwi, Sintim and A.tracy to find... A guy whos more athletic, and also is a dual threat, not just one sided.. Fewell could do alot of things with someone that versatile... But your opinion is one i know will not be changed and even if there was a sign that said, "ayers is just as adequete in 3/4 as 4/3", u would find someway to argue it......lol I love the guy, have coming into the yr, and will continue to hope he's a possiblity for the giants.. I do have other players i obviously like as well for the gmen...


    What do u think about jimmy smith and Demarcus Love? There just a couple more guys i really like along with j.jenkins..

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