+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15
  1. #1

    Giants Running Game...

    If the Giants run the ball the way the did last week... they win the game! Bradshaw needs to be a beast and start wiggling through tackles... Jacobs needs to get lower when takinga hits. Hawk, Bishop and the safeties want no part of Jacobs.
    "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

    2014 Draft:
    Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
    Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
    Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
    Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
    Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
    Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
    Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

  2. #2
    All-Pro GameTime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Jimi Hendrix Sept 18, 1970 RIP
    Posts
    26,164

    Re: Giants Running Game...



    [quote user="Shockeyitus"]If the Giants run the ball the way the did last week... they win the game! Bradshaw needs to be a beast and start wiggling through tackles... Jacobs needs to get lower when takinga hits. Hawk, Bishop and the safeties want no part of Jacobs.[/quote]




    what about the Giants D?? You automatically assume they will limit Rodgers and the Packeer's O??




    The Giants need to do a lot more then just run the ball well. That will have a positive effect but thats notall they need to do.




    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

  3. #3

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    Forget about the run. It's time, we as Giants fans, got over this ideological and emotional attachment to establishing the run. It's not like we have a dominant running game. The Giants running game is mediocre. Jacobs and Bradshaw are ordinary. Let's face it. Solid, but ordinary.

    Sustaining drives, managing the time of possession, moving the chains and keeping Rodgers off the field won't work. Even if we're successful at executing, we'll keep it close but we'll lose. You have to assume the defense will NOT stop Rodgers in any meaningful way. Nobody else has all year.

    Why would you take the ball out of the hands of your best player? Eli is our biggest weapon and he's got weapons. Lots of dangerous weapons. GB has the worst pass defense in the league. By A LOT!! They give up 300 yards/game. Eli will shred them. That will open up big plays for the running game but there will be fewer running plays. If, for example, we have 60 offensive plays, the split should be about 35/25 pass/run.

    We have been riding on Eli's back all year. It would be incompetent and irresponsible for Coughlin, et al, to do anything different now. You live or die with your best player. Coughlin will put the ball in Eli's hands.

    ***

    I'm drawing a blank on which game it was this year - 4th and long from our own 30 with under 2:00 to go and Coughlin went for it, and Eli made it. That play spoke volumes about what Coughlin thinks of Eli. Tough call, gutsy call but he couldn't bring himself to take the ball away from Eli. Somebody please remind me ...


  4. #4
    Veteran BlueBlitzer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    New Port Richey Fl
    Posts
    3,704

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    However a dominate running game ( which I believe the Giants have ) Makes the safetys cheat up. And thats when Eli's play action fake is Deadly.

  5. #5

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    [quote user="BlueBlitzer"]However a dominate running game ( which I believe the Giants have ) Makes the safetys cheat up. And thats when Eli's play action fake is Deadly.[/quote]
    The Giants were ranked 32 in rushing. So, the other 31 teams were more dominant.

    When I said mediocre, solid and ordinary, I was really being kind.


  6. #6
    Bench Player
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    40

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    [quote user="krygny"]Forget about the run. It's time, we as Giants fans, got over this ideological and emotional attachment to establishing the run. It's not like we have a dominant running game. The Giants running game is mediocre. Jacobs and Bradshaw are ordinary. Let's face it. Solid, but ordinary.

    [/quote]

    What?! You couldn't be more wrong if you think the Giants will pull out a win without the run game. The run game is what makes Eli better. It establishes the play-action and lets us control the time of possession a lot better.

    Don't think we're going to win this game without Bradshaw and Jacobs. If you think letting Eli throw it every play will help us win you're dead wrong--it will only lead to turnovers.

    We ran ~180 yards last Sunday and you think we should abandon it against the 32nd ranked D in the NFL? No way. Gilbride will focus on balance; aggressive balance.

  7. #7
    Moderator RoanokeFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    99,245

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    [quote user="krygny"]Forget about the run. It's time, we as Giants fans, got over this ideological and emotional attachment to establishing the run. It's not like we have a dominant running game. The Giants running game is mediocre. Jacobs and Bradshaw are ordinary. Let's face it. Solid, but ordinary.

    Sustaining drives, managing the time of possession, moving the chains and keeping Rodgers off the field won't work. Even if we're successful at executing, we'll keep it close but we'll lose. You have to assume the defense will NOT stop Rodgers in any meaningful way. Nobody else has all year.

    Why would you take the ball out of the hands of your best player? Eli is our biggest weapon and he's got weapons. Lots of dangerous weapons. GB has the worst pass defense in the league. By A LOT!! They give up 300 yards/game. Eli will shred them. That will open up big plays for the running game but there will be fewer running plays. If, for example, we have 60 offensive plays, the split should be about 35/25 pass/run.

    We have been riding on Eli's back all year. It would be incompetent and irresponsible for Coughlin, et al, to do anything different now. You live or die with your best player. Coughlin will put the ball in Eli's hands.

    ***

    I'm drawing a blank on which game it was this year - 4th and long from our own 30 with under 2:00 to go and Coughlin went for it, and Eli made it. That play spoke volumes about what Coughlin thinks of Eli. Tough call, gutsy call but he couldn't bring himself to take the ball away from Eli. Somebody please remind me ...

    [/quote]

    So you advocate throwing the ball 60 - 80 times?
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1


  8. #8

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    [quote user="gsp3"]...
    We ran ~180 yards last Sunday and you think we should abandon it against the 32nd ranked D in the NFL? No way. Gilbride will focus on balance; aggressive balance.[/quote]
    They have the 32nd rated PASS DEFENSE!! Their run defense is 14th (respectable). Therefore, we pass or lose. Just like everybody else in the NFL.

    This is what I meant by an ideological adherence to strategy that can't win. We have the 5th rated passing offense and they have the worst passing defense. We have the WORST rushing offense in the league and they have a solid rushing defense, but based on one game, you think we should have our best player hand the ball to someone else.




  9. #9

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    [quote user="RoanokeFan"]...

    So you advocate throwing the ball 60 - 80 times?
    [/quote]
    I said nothing of the sort.

    I can see debating the strategy with facts and stats, but don't criticize my post if you don't read it.



  10. #10

    Re: Giants Running Game...

    [quote user="krygny"][quote user="gsp3"]...
    *We ran ~180 yards last Sunday and you think we should abandon it against the 32nd ranked D in the NFL? No way. Gilbride will focus on balance; aggressive balance.[/quote]
    They have the 32nd rated PASS DEFENSE!! Their run defense is 14th (respectable). Therefore, we pass or lose. Just like everybody else in the NFL.

    This is what I meant by an ideological adherence to strategy that can't win. We have the 5th rated passing offense and they have the worst passing defense. We have the WORST rushing offense in the league and they have a solid rushing defense, but based on one game, you think we should have our best player hand the ball to someone else.



    [/quote]

    I respectfully disagree.

    First off, the Packers are a very strong offense and thus can get a lead quickly. As a result, other teams are forced to pass a lot to catch up, and also run a lot less. If you look at rushing yards per carry, the Packers Run D is pretty close to the end of the list as well, at 26th allowing 4.7 yards/carry. So their run D and pass D are suspect.

    Also, the Giants' running game has improved a lot.

    Week 1-12: 82.3 yards rushing/game, 3.18 yards per carry
    Since week 12: 115.7 yards/game, 4.42 yards/carry

    As a point of comparison, a 4.42 yards/carry for the year would place the Giants somewhere between 7th (4.5 yards/carry) and 11th (4.4 yds/carry) in the NFL. 115.7 yards/game isn't as impressive, it would place the giants at 17th. Obviously the Giants haven't been able to do this for the entire year, but the last couple of weeks at least the Giants rushing attack has been markedly better, not just in the Falcons game.

    And what's wrong with having some balance?

    Edit: The reason I looked at rushing yards per carry instead of total rushing yards, if it isn't clear, is because opponents that fall behind tend to pass more. The Packers are 5th in the league in fewest rushing attempts against, so looking at the average accounts for that.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts