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    Fact Or Fiction: Robert Ayers To Start?


    "Robert Ayers will eventually start at defensive end opposite Jason Pierre-Paul.

    MICHAEL EISEN: Fact - I donít know if heíll be a fulltime starter, but heíll almost certainly start some games there.

    JOHN SCHMEELK: Fact - Ayers is really the perfect fit to take over for Justin Tuck at left end. He has excellent size and is proficient against the run. He can get after the quarterback, too, but he wonít sell out to do it. Exactly what the Giants need from that spot.

    DAN SALOMONE: Fact - Starts can be deceiving in the NFL at some positions, and thatís true along the defensive line. Itís all about snaps when youíre talking impact, and I think Ayers will earn the majority playing opposite JPP. Heís a complete player like Justin Tuck was for his now-former team. I like what the Giants have done in free agency in signing players like Ayers who are veterans but still have careers ahead of them.


    With their free-agent signings, the Giants can truly select the best player available in the 2014 NFL Draft.

    MICHAEL EISEN: Fact - That almost certainly would have been their strategy, anyway.

    JOHN SCHMEELK: Fiction - The Giants have done a lot to fill their holes, giving themselves a lot more options in the draft, but there are still needs that have to be addressed. The Giants only have three tight ends on the roster, none of which has started in the league. They also havenít added a WR to replace Hakeem Nicks other than Mario Manningham. With all that said, the bottom line is this: If the Giants believe the best player on the board when they pick at 12 is a quarterback (or even a CB), I donít think they pick that person. Therefore, this is FICTION!

    DAN SALOMONE: Fiction - Itís their strategy to pick value over need -- and they certainly gave themselves options -- but can I say with certainty that, for example, they would pick a cornerback in the first round, which could very well be the best available at No. 12? No, I canít. Not because of the depth they have in the secondary right now due to moves in free agency.


    The Giants will have fewer three-safety looks because of increased depth at cornerback.

    MICHAEL EISEN: Fiction - If Antrel Rolle, Will Hill and Stevie Brown are all healthy, the three-safety alignment should be a big part of Perry Fewellís defense.

    JOHN SCHMEELK: Fiction - They will have more three-safety looks than they did in 2013, but fewer than they did in 2012. This year, however, I think the safety will be replacing the linebacker in sub-packages rather than a cornerback. I donít like Antrel Rolle in the slot. We saw how good he could be last year playing his natural position and I donít want to move him from there. Move Will Hill into the box as a quasi-LB in a small nickel package and let him run support and help cover tight ends.

    DAN SALOMONE: Fiction - Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell and the rest of the coaching staff are going to have some good problems in installing game plans this year. As we know, Fewell likes to get as many playmakers on the field at the same time. Rolle, Hill, and Brown are exactly that.


    Signing four new offensive linemen in free agency makes it less likely the Giants will draft one in the first round.

    MICHAEL EISEN: Fiction - This goes back to No. 1. If the best player on the board is an O-lineman, the Giants are going to take him. The object is to collect good players.

    JOHN SCHMEELK: Fact - It might make it less likely, but that doesnít mean it wonít happen. The Giants could still use youth and depth on the offensive line, especially inside where both Chris Snee and J.D. Walton have injury concerns. Will Beatty is also coming off a serious leg injury. Besides, if a real franchise left tackle is there at 12, those types of players are hard to pass up.

    DAN SALOMONE: Fact - I think thereís still more than a 50 percent chance they will, but what the Giants have done is the point of free agency: donít pigeonhole yourself in the draft. They didnít put all their chips on the No. 12 pick in terms of solving the offensive line."
    ďNever argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.Ē MB Rule # 1

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    For week 1? Fact

    The proud and UNDEFEATED defender of Eli Manning

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    Ayers seems like the obvious choice to start at LDE. Moore will get in on passing situations. Kiwi is just depth at this point.

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    I think he is that starter and Moore will see time in passing situations.

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    Moore should not be playing LE, he's a 250lb bullrusher who gets mauled by big RTs

    The proud and UNDEFEATED defender of Eli Manning

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    Idk were the confusion is Ayers is a beast in the run game and proved last year that he can get pressure why would moore start over him barring injury he's going to start all year and moore will rotate in and play the edge rusher in nascar when Ayres moves inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassgiant View Post
    Idk were the confusion is Ayers is a beast in the run game and proved last year that he can get pressure why would moore start over him barring injury he's going to start all year and moore will rotate in and play the edge rusher in nascar when Ayres moves inside.
    Plz no more nascar. Ever.

    The proud and UNDEFEATED defender of Eli Manning

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    Ayers can play the run, and so far Moore has not shown that ability. Ayers starts, hands down, in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mookskingdom View Post
    Plz no more nascar. Ever.
    you have something against getting all the best pass rushers on the field at once? strange.

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    could mike eisen be anymore boring with his answers? i swear that's how he is 99% of the time. never says anything interesting or useful.

    he always sticks with the whole "best player available! best player available!" answers when it comes to the draft. teams draft for need A LOT more than they like to admit. are you really gonna tell me the giants are gonna take a QB or CB at #12 if they're the BPA? nope. and if you have a guy ranked at like #8 overall and he falls to you, but you really don't need a guy at that position, you're gonna take another guy. just because you passed on a guy who was ranked a couple spots higher than the guy you ended up drafting, doesn't mean it's the end of the freaking world.

    at least john schmeelk and the other guy have some more substance to their analysis.

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